[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 02:26:28PM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

>countinue to make, the exact same mistake that Mr.  Luck has made here,
>i.e. failing to note the clear distinction between things that are
>"political" and things that are abjectly and abundantly criminal,

I don't think that word means what you think it does. "criminal"
has a very precise legal meaning. If you think that advertisement
of numbers is a criminal act, please provide jurisdiction, act
and article under which it is.

[much incoherent and, in this context irrelevant, rambling about
U.S. politics omitted]

>The one important difference, of course, is that 2019-03 calls for the
>hijackers to be deprived not only of whatever they have stolen, but also
>and additionally, of every number resource that they were ever legitimately
>granted, after a due process.  

You must have read a different verion of this proposal than what
I have read. The proposal calls for a "finding" to be made and a
report submitted. Any consequences are not even within the
mandate of RIPE policy.

>I would just like it noted, for the record, that RIPE is actually not a
>"monopoly provider", and that the four other RIRs might reasonably take
>umbrage at the very suggestion.

And, like so often, you are wrong here too. Each RIR is a
monopoly provider for its own service region. Some RIRs even
mandate that the resources they allocate and assign must not be
used outside their service region.

rgds,
Sascha Luck