[anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 08:03:38 +0200
Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
> Hi Andreas
> I echo Barry's views on the research.
> Some valid points, but it's a pity that you tend to void them by
> mostly telling others that they are stupid.
> I like your idea about studying why certain practices occur. So why
> not find a University that is interested in starting a project on
> this?

More funded research? Good idea... Maybe I must ask Google, Microsoft
or one of the other few whether they will pay for research into mostly
their own practices... (sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, so, I guess
I am witless...)

I wonder who is paying for the research into "evaluating and improving
the accuracy of blacklists."... 

and, no, not 'stupid' 

It is in the US (not international/planetary) most best interests to
have research stating that "blacklists" data collection methods and
data is not accurate and requires improving...

See?

Already the issue has shifted

It is not whether blacklists need improvement

It is not whether "blacklists" are accurate

It is about: "evaluating and improving the accuracy of blacklists."

The entire post is arrogant, obnoxious, offensive and inaccurate and is
an oxymoron.

Andre

> On 18/07/2019 07:20, ac wrote:
> > 
> > Oh. Lets look more at this then.
> > 
> > "UC Berkeley" - USA
> > "International Computer Science Institute"
> > "evaluating and improving the accuracy of blacklists." 
> > "including a web link, which is tracked and cross tracked"
> > "an anonymous survey"
> > 
> > Dude, let us be frank: On this list we discuss abuse, in the open
> > and directly. People on this list has "skills" and can all be
> > anonymous on this list, if they wish to, in fact, many are. (I do
> > not and I am not private)
> > 
> > We are talking about email blacklists? right? as the routing
> > blacklists do not bother the evil tech monopolies!
> > 
> > It is a fact that the spam from the top ten USA tech companies are
> > the most challenging abuse on the planet - as this type of abuse,
> > is the hardest to combat. - Twitter does not even accept abuse
> > complaints. Facebook does not care and Google mixes spam with ham
> > all the time to defeat email blacklists
> > 
> > Why not study the reasons for the percentage increase in the use of
> > inspection/tracking/non private/invasive anti abuse technologies in
> > use by the largest email and dominant players, Google and
> > Microsoft, of ipv6 and the reason why these huge tech players HAVE
> > to push for ipv6 email servers relay to ensure their future
> > dominance of email relay?
> > 
> > Instead of "My colleagues and I are working on evaluating and
> > improving the accuracy of blacklists"
> > 
> > As, imnsho, that is absolute USA bullshit. and is not even possible.
> > 
> > I would go sofar as to state that such research is not intended to
> > "improve" anything but to cement the monopolies we fight daily and
> > is on the EVIL side of the fight.
> > 
> > Andre
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:01:16 -0700
> > Barry Greene <barryrgreene at gmail.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> Not a joke. 
> >>
> >> Just a researcher exploring ways to quantify and measure. Always
> >> important to have the academic doing the due diligence on our
> >> operational assumptions.
> >>  
> >>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 07:40, ac <ac at main.me> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is a joke email, right?
> >>>
> >>> Is it the 1st of April already? :)
> >>>
> >>> Andre
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:42:21 +0200
> >>> Anushah Hossain <anushah at icsi.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> >>>     
> >>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm a researcher at UC Berkeley and the International Computer
> >>>> Science Institute. My colleagues and I are working on evaluating
> >>>> and improving the accuracy of blacklists. As part of this work,
> >>>> we'd like to hear from you about the blacklists you currently
> >>>> use, what you perceive as their strengths and weaknesses, and any
> >>>> thoughts you have on how they might be improved.
> >>>>
> >>>> We've prepared an anonymous survey where you can share your
> >>>> views:
> >>>>
> >>>> If you have five to ten minutes free today to fill it out, I
> >>>> would greatly appreciate your help! Thank you, and please don't
> >>>> hesitate to respond to me with comments or questions.
> >>>>
> >>>> (Apologies if you receive this message twice - trying to minimize
> >>>> cross-posting while still reaching a broad audience)
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Anushah
> >>>>     
> >>>
> >>>     
> > 
> >   
>