[anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

Hi Andreas

I echo Barry's views on the research.

Some valid points, but it's a pity that you tend to void them by mostly
telling others that they are stupid.

I like your idea about studying why certain practices occur. So why not
find a University that is interested in starting a project on this?

Best
Serge


On 18/07/2019 07:20, ac wrote:
> 
> Oh. Lets look more at this then.
> 
> "UC Berkeley" - USA
> "International Computer Science Institute"
> "evaluating and improving the accuracy of blacklists." 
> "including a web link, which is tracked and cross tracked"
> "an anonymous survey"
> 
> Dude, let us be frank: On this list we discuss abuse, in the open and
> directly. People on this list has "skills" and can all be anonymous on
> this list, if they wish to, in fact, many are. (I do not and I am not
> private)
> 
> We are talking about email blacklists? right? as the routing blacklists
> do not bother the evil tech monopolies!
> 
> It is a fact that the spam from the top ten USA tech companies are the
> most challenging abuse on the planet - as this type of abuse, is the
> hardest to combat. - Twitter does not even accept abuse complaints.
> Facebook does not care and Google mixes spam with ham all the time to
> defeat email blacklists
> 
> Why not study the reasons for the percentage increase in the use of
> inspection/tracking/non private/invasive anti abuse technologies in use
> by the largest email and dominant players, Google and Microsoft, of
> ipv6 and the reason why these huge tech players HAVE to push for ipv6
> email servers relay to ensure their future dominance of email relay?
> 
> Instead of "My colleagues and I are working on evaluating and improving
> the accuracy of blacklists"
> 
> As, imnsho, that is absolute USA bullshit. and is not even possible.
> 
> I would go sofar as to state that such research is not intended to
> "improve" anything but to cement the monopolies we fight daily and is
> on the EVIL side of the fight.
> 
> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:01:16 -0700
> Barry Greene <barryrgreene at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not a joke. 
>>
>> Just a researcher exploring ways to quantify and measure. Always
>> important to have the academic doing the due diligence on our
>> operational assumptions.
>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 07:40, ac <ac at main.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a joke email, right?
>>>
>>> Is it the 1st of April already? :)
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:42:21 +0200
>>> Anushah Hossain <anushah at icsi.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>   
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I'm a researcher at UC Berkeley and the International Computer
>>>> Science Institute. My colleagues and I are working on evaluating
>>>> and improving the accuracy of blacklists. As part of this work,
>>>> we'd like to hear from you about the blacklists you currently use,
>>>> what you perceive as their strengths and weaknesses, and any
>>>> thoughts you have on how they might be improved.
>>>>
>>>> We've prepared an anonymous survey where you can share your views:
>>>>
>>>> If you have five to ten minutes free today to fill it out, I would
>>>> greatly appreciate your help! Thank you, and please don't hesitate
>>>> to respond to me with comments or questions.
>>>>
>>>> (Apologies if you receive this message twice - trying to minimize
>>>> cross-posting while still reaching a broad audience)
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Anushah
>>>>   
>>>
>>>   
> 
> 

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