[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

Hi,

On Fri, 19 Apr 2019, ac wrote:

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>> But anyway: the point that Randy is making that this policy is neither
>> common sense, nor effective in reducing abuse.  So it's not the way
>> to go.
>>
> so you are taking it upon yourself to attach your own opinion by
> commenting on how you interpret the point(s) Randy is making?
>
> how rude and presumptuous of yourself.
>
> it seems many people (including myself) are rude, obnoxious, not
> tolerant as well as very impolite and "unconsiderate"

Please let's not start with that...
(disclaimer: i value Gert's opinion on any Internet related subject as 
much as i value Randy's)


> Anyway, to add my own interpretation, seeing as this is what we are now
> reduced to, I am understanding that Randy is pointing out that when
> 2019-03 moves forward, this is common sense and not a "slippery slope"

It wasn't clear enough for me too at first, but i now clearly know that 
Randy objects 2019-03 (i.e. the potential "police state" and less energy 
in routing security).


> *sigh* - this is one of the most commented on and longest suffering
> thread(s) ever. It seems there are vested interests in ensuring that
> RIPE does not exercise any administrative (or limited) authority and
> only acts as a 'sort of' loose record or some sort of index of who may
> possibly or potentially be assigned which public resources...

i.e. "land registry" has already been mentioned. Which is something i 
completely disagree, because, i don't see a (real) land registry as a 
member association, and having a role to actually distribute land -- among 
other details...



> I just wish to add the one thing that I have not yet seen in the
> thread(s):
>
> I would propose that should RIR not act with administrative authority
> we can expect world governments to legislate as chaos is not in the
> best interests of civil society.

I'm not sure if that is the case for all governments in the world, but 
yes, i think that without enough self-regulation, some jurisdictions may 
perceive that more legislation is needed... so yes, i also see that risk.

Even from the individual perspective of an average Internet user, it could 
be hard to understand how resource hijackers are tolerated by the very 
same organisations that have administrative powers over said resources.


Regards,
Carlos


> Andre
>