[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

On Thu, 18 Apr 2019, Fi Shing wrote:

> 
> What absolute crap. Why is that every time something resembling common sense enters this group, there are these people who insist on using slippery slop fallacy?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
> 
> It wouldn't half surprise me if people like this "randy bush" are motivated by criminal groups. I cannot think of any reason, other than a criminal one, why someone would object to common sense policy that leads to a reduction in
> abuse.
> 
> (Usually, there is one other motivation (financial) but not in this proposal).

Hi,

Please let me tell you that you are absolutely wrong about Randy Bush.

I co-authored another policy proposal together with Randy (and also some 
other people who have already objected to 2019-03) some years ago. 
Randy's contribution is always appreciated and (at least) i feel very 
lucky when he shows up at RIPE meetings, and i happen to be there too.

I hope this will destroy any doubt you may have about Randy:
https://www.internethalloffame.org/inductees/randy-bush

Let me also say that i think that energy into improving/deploying routing 
security (RPKI, MANRS, ...) should in any way be reduced just because of 
what 2019-03 proposes.

Randy's position is obviously not irrelevant for me, as other person who 
frequently brings as much value to the RIPE community as Randy does, 
already told me (in private), in even a less positive way.

Regards,
Carlos




>       -------- Original Message --------
>       Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking
>       is a RIPE Policy Violation)
>       From: Randy Bush <randy at psg.com>
>       Date: Fri, April 19, 2019 1:55 am
>       To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
>
>       < rant >
>
>       this is insane. neither ripe nor the ncc should be the net police,
>       courts, and prison rolled into one kangaroo court.
>
>       it is droll that the erstwhile anti-abuse working group becomes a
>       self-righteous abuser. so it is with so many abused children.
>
>       put your energy into routing security not converting ripe and the ncc
>       into an authoritarian state. we have enough of those.
>
>       randy
> 
> 
>