[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

On Thu, 18 Apr 2019, Richard Clayton wrote:

> In message <alpine.LRH.2.21.1904171644150.13524 at gauntlet.corp.fccn.pt>,
> Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> writes
>
>> So, the main/only course of action, as i see it today for an hijacked
>> party (if the hijacker is from the RIPE region), is sending a complaint to
>> a dutch court... and it's doubtful if the dutch court will not rule
>> itself to be "unable to rule" on the matter...
>
> You are entirely incorrect that using the courts is the "main" or "only"
> course of action.
>
> Numerous hijack events have been dealt with down the years. I am not
> aware of any instance in which a court got involved in stopping the
> hijack from happening ...

OK, so if courts are not an option.......


> ... I am aware of peer pressure (literally), action by IXPs, action by
> organisations providing reputation scores and even action by hosting
> companies.

Yes, i'm aware of that too. Sometimes it fixes specific hijacks, but does 
it stop or in anyway cause a delay for hijackers to hop onto the next 
hijack...???



>> However, yes, there are hijacks originating from the region, and there
>> isn't an easy way for anyone to report it, so hijacks (or persistent
>> hijackers) are stopped.
>
> hijacks are reported in numerous places, the NANOG mailing list springs
> immediately to mind -- and posting there is certainly easy

Yes i'm aware about it, but is that the (globally?) de-facto place for 
raising anyone's attention to an hijack or an hijacker operation?



>> Trying to sum it up in just a line:
>> "Persistent and intentional resource hijacking is not tolerated."
>
> I'm still looking forward to the wording that will deal with the US DoD

Won't that fall under "legacy"...?

Are we having this discussion under RIPE or under ARIN? :-)))


Regards,
Carlos


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> richard                                                   Richard Clayton
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