[anti-abuse-wg] On +1s and Policy Awareness AND Astro... something...

Newcomers are welcome. It's that simple. If newcomers do not feel welcome then it is up to the Co-Chairs and all members of the WG to improve that.

I know that saying something doesn't automatically make it so, and I know how intimidating some mail threads can be, but remember to make everyone welcome and to treat their words with good intent. It's on all of us.

Thanks,

Brian
Co-Chair, RIPE AAWG

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of
> Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg
> Sent: Friday 5 April 2019 08:28
> To: Sascha Luck [ml] <aawg at c4inet.net>
> Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] On +1s and Policy Awareness AND Astro...
> something...
> 
> 
> Hi, Sascha, All,
> 
> Seriously? Newcomers welcomed?
> 
> It's just a matter of going back and re-read parts of the thread and some sub-
> threads...
> 
> Regards,
> Carlos
> 
> 
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:52:32PM +0100, CSIRT.UMINHO Marco Teixeira
> wrote:
> >> While I speak for myself, I might incur the risk of representing a
> >> lot of the so-called "Astroturfers?!". While some accuse (please
> >> don't take it personally, it's just clarification) the newcomers of
> >> being voiceless, I must say that I have been, with great effort,
> >> refraining from going into a long discourse on a list where I am new.
> >> That should not be understood as a sign of "spamming" a vetting
> >> process, but as a sign of respect for all of you, long-standing
> >> members of RIPE, guardians of our IP addresses, one of the building
> >> blocks of the Internet :-)
> >
> > I know of forums where "the n00b" is expected to shut up and listen,
> > but this is not one of them. At least I have never noticed that
> > newcomers weren't welcomed - and as I stated before, I personally
> > would like to see more and different voices here - and no, not just
> > those who agree with me although I hope some will...
> >
> > So don't be afraid to speak up if you've something to say!
> >
> >> As one last thought, again IMHO, I believe BGP Hijacking is one of
> >> the most pressing issues, menacing the Internet resiliency, and it
> >> must be dealt with. In the same manner, we apply AUP's to our users,
> >> it's RIPE responsibility, to clearly state, it is not acceptable, and
> >> it will have consequences... Raising the risk for companies is the
> >> only way we tip the balance of "Loss vs Earning", and hopefully
> >> eradicate bad actors, or hopefully even stopping them right at their
> business plans.
> >
> > 1) The RIPE NCC is not the provider of "AUP" for the entire Internet
> > or even the Internet of the Service Region. I understand that some
> > would *like* it to be, but that is not what the members are paying it
> > for. 2) If anyone needs to be "eradicated", I'd prefer that to be
> > determined by a judge and, preferably, a jury. NOT some neighbourhood
> > watch curtain-twitcher with the help of a monopoly service provider.
> >> This is why I support "2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is
> >> a RIPE Policy Violation)"
> >
> > and this is why I oppose it :)
> >
> > rgds,
> > SL
> >