[anti-abuse-wg] On +1s and Policy Awareness AND Astro... something...

Hi, Sascha, All,

Seriously? Newcomers welcomed?

It's just a matter of going back and re-read parts of the thread and some 
sub-threads...

Regards,
Carlos


On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:52:32PM +0100, CSIRT.UMINHO Marco Teixeira wrote:
>> While I speak for myself, I might incur the risk of representing a lot of 
>> the so-called "Astroturfers?!". While some accuse (please don't take it 
>> personally, it's just clarification) the newcomers of being voiceless, I 
>> must say that I have been, with great effort, refraining from going into a 
>> long discourse on a list where I am new. That should not be understood as a 
>> sign of "spamming" a vetting process, but as a sign of respect for all of 
>> you, long-standing members of RIPE, guardians of our IP addresses, one of 
>> the building blocks of the Internet :-)
>
> I know of forums where "the n00b" is expected to shut up and
> listen, but this is not one of them. At least I have never
> noticed that newcomers weren't welcomed - and as I stated before,
> I personally would like to see more and different voices here -
> and no, not just those who agree with me although I hope some
> will...
>
> So don't be afraid to speak up if you've something to say!
>
>> As one last thought, again IMHO, I believe BGP Hijacking is one of the most 
>> pressing issues, menacing the Internet resiliency, and it must be dealt 
>> with. In the same manner, we apply AUP's to our users, it's RIPE 
>> responsibility, to clearly state, it is not acceptable, and it will have 
>> consequences... Raising the risk for companies is the only way we tip the 
>> balance of "Loss vs Earning", and hopefully eradicate bad actors, or 
>> hopefully even stopping them right at their business plans.
>
> 1) The RIPE NCC is not the provider of "AUP" for the entire
> Internet or even the Internet of the Service Region. I understand
> that some would *like* it to be, but that is not what the members
> are paying it for. 2) If anyone needs to be "eradicated", I'd prefer that to 
> be
> determined by a judge and, preferably, a jury. NOT some
> neighbourhood watch curtain-twitcher with the help of a monopoly
> service provider. 
>> This is why I support "2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE 
>> Policy Violation)"
>
> and this is why I oppose it :)
>
> rgds,
> SL
>