[anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse

It seems to be a very popular meme right along with “we are not the internet police”. Or maybe that old saw about the internet interpreting censorship as damage and routing around it.

Like several other popular memes and urban legends variants of this one have been around over the years so much so that there’s probably a faq out there on snopes for these.

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From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 5:11:20 PM
To: Volker Greimann; anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse

Volker

I don't think your choice of language is particularly helpful or constructive. In fact I think you're being intentionally inflammatory.

Why don't you tone it down a little?

There's no need to use words like:
"vigilantes" or "rent-a-cops" unless you're simply trying to troll people or believe that the anti-abuse community shouldn't exist, which by extension would suggest that you want to enable online abuse.

Regards

Michele


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On 29/05/2018, 11:36, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Volker Greimann" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:

    Wow, the level of narrowmindedness and fearmongering is high with this one.

    Crime online will likely not increase due to GDPR. It may be more
    difficult to detect and take action against due to the loss of one tool
    amongst many, but ultimately that tool was illegal to begin with as it
    violated the rights to privacy of millions of domain owners.

    "Private researchers" and other vigilantes or rent-a-cops will indeed
    have a more difficult time to obtain such data as they will finally have
    to do so by legal means, but then they are in an untenable position
    anyway, taking upon themselves functions that should be fulfilled by
    actual law enforcement.

    Ultimately, private data if internet users no longer being public will
    lead to better registration data for those with a right to access it.
    Those with no such rights will have to figure out alternate routes to do
    their jobs that does not violate the rights of millions.

    Best,

    Volker



    Am 28.05.2018 um 21:13 schrieb Ronald F. Guilmette:
    > ox <andre at ox.co.za> wrote:
    >
    >> Firstly I would like to comment that the multinationals and their funded trade
    >> groups (and their lobby orgs) shouted from the rooftops that if the GDPR came
    >> into effect, Internet in the EU would collapse and there would be digital doom
    >> and gloom.
    > I am not a multinational.  I am an individual volunteer anti-abuse researcher.
    > And yet even -I- have told everyone I know that the disappearance of public
    > WHOIS is and will be an epic catastrophy.  If there was cybercrime on the
    > Internet before, it will be increased, going forward, by tenfold.
    >
    >> How wrong they were (hindsight is perfect - as we can all clearly see)
    > Be patient.  The change has only just occurred.
    >
    >> The EU has truly become a world and global leader in the reclamation of
    >> individual rights and the free Internet.
    > Here on this side of the pond, one usually has to turn on Fox News in order
    > to be treated to this level of rubbish.
    >
    > The only thing that has happened is that private researchers the world
    > over have been effectively blinded due to the supreme arogance and idiocy
    > of europeans... europeans who, in their religious fervor, have come to view
    > it as their holy obligation to foist their demented notions onto the rest
    > of the world, whether any of the rest of us like it or not.
    >
    > Meanwhile the malevolent forces of state-sponsored intrigue and violation
    > of human rights are and shall remain totally unfettered and unaffected by
    > GDPR, as they will be the first ones to obtain special exemptions allowing
    > them to continue to see WHOIS data.  The CIA, NSA, BDN, and FSB are
    > undoubtedly celebrating the arrival of GDPR, as it further entrenches
    > their special status at the expense of the great unwashes masses.
    >
    > Friday was a sad day for both transparency and democracy, but all across
    > the globe both criminals and statists undoubtedly celebrated it with
    > toasts of champaign.
    >
    >
    > Regards,
    > rfg
    >

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