[anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02

Name,

Why are you remaining anonymous ?

Hervé

De : anti-abuse-wg [mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net] De la part de Name
Envoyé : mardi 20 mars 2018 07:56
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Objet : Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02

"And an annual checking would ensure that the contacts remain more up-to-date."


Yes, an annual checking would do that. This isn't an annual checking. It involves checking if a mail server exists.


Mail server exists ≠ update-to-date contact
Mail server exists ≠ valid abuse mailbox











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Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02
From: <herve.clement at orange.com<mailto:herve.clement at orange.com>>
Date: Tue, March 20, 2018 3:52 am
To: "anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net<mailto:anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>" <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net<mailto:anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>>
As co-authors, if we propose this policy, that's because we believe that improving the Whois reliability is good for the Internet.
With regard to the first analysis conducted by the RIPE NCC, about 10%-25% of the current 70,000 distinct abuse contact emails seem technically incorrect, this implies that between 7,000 and 17,500 email addresses are not working ones.
If contacted by the RIPE NCC, resource holders will be requested to fix this information and will be able to receive abuse notifications. So there will be a significant difference between receiving something vs receiving anything.
Perhaps a part of these holders don't care but they will be contactable. The other part will be educated about this abuse-c field during the process.
And an annual checking would ensure that the contacts remain more up-to-date.

Regards

Hervé

-----Message d'origine-----
De : anti-abuse-wg [mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net] De la part de ox
Envoyé : lundi 19 mars 2018 03:23
À : JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Objet : Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02

On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:43:54 +0000
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net<mailto:anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>> wrote:
<snip>
> I'm not a lawyer, but deal a lot with them, and I'm sure anyway, there
> are more informed voices even from the NCC that can confirm, and
> actually it will be interesting to confirm.
>
+1

I would like to also present the other side of the same argument:

If the NCC provides a platform that supplies fake/false/wrong information it could also attract arguments of legal liability...

Similarly, if the NCC does not provide abuse contact information there could also be legal arguments that this is a dereliction of trust with regards public resource management and that also opens up arguments of liability...

So, this would be most interesting to confirm.

Regards

Andre


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