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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> anti-abuse-wg [mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net]
<b>De la part de</b> Name<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 20 mars 2018 07:56<br>
<b>À :</b> anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">"And an annual checking would ensure that the contacts remain more up-to-date."</span></i><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Yes, an annual checking would do that. This isn't an annual checking. It involves checking if a mail server exists.</span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02<br>
From: <<a href="mailto:herve.clement@orange.com"><span style="color:windowtext">herve.clement@orange.com</span></a>><br>
Date: Tue, March 20, 2018 3:52 am<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net"><span style="color:windowtext">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net"><span style="color:windowtext">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</span></a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">As co-authors, if we propose this policy, that's because we believe that improving the Whois reliability is good for the Internet.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">With regard to the first analysis conducted by the RIPE NCC, about 10%-25% of the current 70,000 distinct abuse contact emails seem technically incorrect,
this implies that between 7,000 and 17,500 email addresses are not working ones.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">If contacted by the RIPE NCC, resource holders will be requested to fix this information and will be able to receive abuse notifications. So there
will be a significant difference between receiving something vs receiving anything.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Perhaps a part of these holders don't care but they will be contactable. The other part will be educated about this abuse-c field during the process.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">And an annual checking would ensure that the contacts remain more up-to-date.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Regards</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Hervé</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">-----Message d'origine-----<br>
De : anti-abuse-wg [<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net"><u><span style="color:blue">mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net</span></u></a>] De la part de ox<br>
Envoyé : lundi 19 mars 2018 03:23<br>
À : JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg<br>
Objet : Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Decision on Proposal 2017-02<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">On Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:43:54 +0000<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg <<a href="mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" target="_blank">anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">> I'm not a lawyer, but deal a lot with them, and I'm sure anyway, there
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">> are more informed voices even from the NCC that can confirm, and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">> actually it will be interesting to confirm.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">I would like to also present the other side of the same argument:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">If the NCC provides a platform that supplies fake/false/wrong information it could also attract arguments of legal liability...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Similarly, if the NCC does not provide abuse contact information there could also be legal arguments that this is a dereliction of trust with regards public resource
management and that also opens up arguments of liability...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">So, this would be most interesting to confirm.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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