[anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists

On May 28 Andre wrote:
> I am not a criminal and not a criminal company. So, I do
> not have criminal competitors. 

Although this phrase is beyond my capacity for understanding, I think I should greet you for not fearing unfair competition.

> Just on a side note, my opinion is that you calling Martin Hetzner a
> Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable behavior.


I'll explain to you what is not acceptable behavior:
1- It is you being customer of a provider owner with a professional life history worthy of an arrogant sociopath with the attitudes of a Nazi despot - reread the curriculum I related.
2- It is you acting like some Afrikaners who defended the principles of the National Socialist Party - read Nazism - that gave support to the maintenance of apartheid in your homeland. Heil Hetzner!
3- It is an ISP owner refusing to suspend a reported customer numerous times, for 18 months, with evidence of the practice of crime.
4- It is an ISP owner to allow a victim of his client to spend 18 months denouncing the same scam, the same scammer.

> It is hate speech in itself and disrespectful to civil society.

A hate speech: If I lived in Germany I would have sued this tramp. From where I am I can only insult and report him to the world.
Disrespect to civil society are his relationships with sociopath despots like Putin, are his attacks on freedom of the press, are his pursuits those who fight spammers and give support for reported criminals.
Disrespect to civil society it is to defend and hire the services of people who should be arrested.

Heil Coetzee!
Marilson


From: ox 
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 2:21 AM
To: Marilson 
Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net 
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] fake abuse lists

On Sat, 27 May 2017 21:26:42 -0300
"Marilson" <marilson.mapa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you continue to call your competitors from criminal companies
> someone will call you Pot. :)
> 
No, firstly, there is no competition between lists... All lists have
different data and sometimes different priorities and focus. (Did you
see the SORBS lists 30 days, recent, all time - this has time focus -
some lists adds weight for RIR, some lists focus on actual syndicates,
some on actual bot tech, some aggregate bots & syndicates - for
example - on your one IP number you may be hosting 900 domains and
only one of those belong to a crime syndicate sending spear or to a
child pornographer. - if you are on that list - find your criminal - and get rid of them...
some lists are rolled by hand, dedicated and with zero (or next to
zero) false positives. some lists randomly list ip numbers, etc.

a list is a list and the quality of a list depends on the maintenance thereof and 
the value it ads to society. This value is sometimes displayed in the
'score' or numerical weight attached to programs similar to spamassassin
assigned to a list by independent users.

Secondly, I am not a criminal and not a criminal company. So, I do
not have criminal competitors.

Lastly, if there is a list that is listing other lists for no reason and also lists 
honeynets (traps) and victims - the advantage for doing that is only to
criminal enterprise. 

Just on a side note, my opinion is that you calling Martin Hetzner a
Nazi (and a sociopath) is not acceptable behavior.

It is hate speech in itself and disrespectful to civil society.

Andre








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