[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: RBL policy

don't like the activities of some entities on the internet? 1: figure 
out who they are, if -need be- get a court order against their isp to 
fork up the details (make sure you harrass the right one) 2: take that 
entity doing it to court...

if it's not 'illegal' or 'criminal' where they just so happen to operate 
from... bad luck for you. they can do as they please. live with it.

you cannot go around forcing isps and carriers to 'interact' with you 
(and a few 100 other entities like you)... that's not how it works. 
should you want us to interact with you we can set up a fee... something 
along the lines of 1000 euros per 'abusemail' and we'll look at it. 
(-look at it-, not give you your way ;)


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Subject: 	Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
Date: 	Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:09:55 +0000
From: 	HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl>
Organization: 	Republic CyberBunker
To: 	anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net



  Strafgesetzbuch (StGB)
  § 240 Nötigung

(1) Wer einen Menschen rechtswidrig mit Gewalt oder durch Drohung mit 
einem empfindlichen Übel zu einer Handlung, Duldung oder Unterlassung 
nötigt, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe 
bestraft.
(2) Rechtswidrig ist die Tat, wenn die Anwendung der Gewalt oder die 
Androhung des Übels zu dem angestrebten Zweck als verwerflich anzusehen ist.
(3) Der Versuch ist strafbar.
(4) In besonders schweren Fällen ist die Strafe Freiheitsstrafe von 
sechs Monaten bis zu fünf Jahren. Ein besonders schwerer Fall liegt in 
der Regel vor, wenn der Täter

1.
    eine Schwangere zum Schwangerschaftsabbruch nötigt oder
2.
    seine Befugnisse oder seine Stellung als Amtsträger mißbraucht.


being forced to spend manhours (= money) to 'delist' from 3rd party dns 
blacklists is 'empflindliche uebel', and yes you are forcing them into a 
'handlung (delisting/acting AGAINST their paying customer), duldung 
(ignoring the fact that you call them and others affected by your block 
'spammers') or 'unterlassung' (interfering with their provider immunity 
and  right to sell services to anyone, anywhere, and keep doing so - as 
long as those don't break the law -there- and even if they do you can 
still sell them services as that's their problem -there- not yours. 
per-se. ;)

now. that's just the blackmail part and just the BRD part... other eu 
memberstates usually have simular laws...

if you knowingly and willingly insert ips into a blackmail 
infrastructure which you have advertised with the argument that you KNOW 
a listing has impact on 1/3rd of the worlds mail delivery, or worse, 
such as spamhaus DROP, where you KNOW a listing causes part of the 
internet to completely drop that traffic, as you advertise it just for 
-that- purpose and know how many nodes use it, that completely falls 
under pretty much any computer sabotage act out there -ever-.

but... ofcourse... to you... some not-even-illegal use of 'smtp' or some 
wintendo virusses that could be out there, are of higher priority than 
keeping the internet working, and not breaking any laws yourself.

keep in mind, we, the owners of the internet, isps and carriers, and yes 
we do OWN it, 'tolerate' blacklists... as long as they don't go around 
making silly demands, such as 'contacting' them, or gaining too much 
influence and starting to 'demand' to disconnect things without even 
bothering to get a court order.

what's next... the RIAA setting up one as well?

On 31 ينا, 2017 ص 04:17, ox wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:21:54 +0000
> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker<svenk at xs4all.nl>  wrote:
>> smtp is just one of many protocols out there, a primitive, fairly
>> unimportant and severely lacking in terms of security one at that,
>> and it's protection cannot be a reason for any disconnection -ever-.
>>
> This thread is about DNSBL and not about the smtp protocol but the
> replies helped us all understand why it is important to permanently list
> entire IP ranges. (Even if the resources change hands)
>
> Personally, I think that block times should be increased or become more
> permanent.
>
> Practically and right now, some of the block lists that I feed data
> into is talking about discontinuing 24 hour blocks completely and
> moving to much longer block times.
>
> Other lists are considering completely discontinuing auto de-listing.
>   
> The effect of this will mean that abuse@ will have to become more responsive
> in order to avoid being more permanently listed.
>
> Andre
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