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<div class="moz-forward-container">don't like the activities of some
entities on the internet? 1: figure out who they are, if -need be-
get a court order against their isp to fork up the details (make
sure you harrass the right one) 2: take that entity doing it to
court...<br>
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if it's not 'illegal' or 'criminal' where they just so happen to
operate from... bad luck for you. they can do as they please. live
with it.<br>
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you cannot go around forcing isps and carriers to 'interact' with
you (and a few 100 other entities like you)... that's not how it
works. should you want us to interact with you we can set up a
fee... something along the lines of 1000 euros per 'abusemail' and
we'll look at it. (-look at it-, not give you your way ;)<br>
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<td>Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy</td>
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<td>HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl"><svenk@xs4all.nl></a></td>
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<h1>Strafgesetzbuch (StGB)<br>
<span class="jnenbez">§ 240</span> <span class="jnentitel">Nötigung</span></h1>
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<div class="jurAbsatz">(1) Wer einen Menschen rechtswidrig
mit Gewalt oder durch Drohung mit einem empfindlichen Übel
zu einer Handlung, Duldung oder Unterlassung nötigt, wird
mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu drei Jahren oder mit Geldstrafe
bestraft.</div>
<div class="jurAbsatz">(2) Rechtswidrig ist die Tat, wenn
die Anwendung der Gewalt oder die Androhung des Übels zu
dem angestrebten Zweck als verwerflich anzusehen ist.</div>
<div class="jurAbsatz">(3) Der Versuch ist strafbar.</div>
<div class="jurAbsatz">(4) In besonders schweren Fällen ist
die Strafe Freiheitsstrafe von sechs Monaten bis zu fünf
Jahren. Ein besonders schwerer Fall liegt in der Regel
vor, wenn der Täter
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<div>eine Schwangere zum Schwangerschaftsabbruch
nötigt oder</div>
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<div>seine Befugnisse oder seine Stellung als
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<p>being forced to spend manhours (= money) to 'delist'
from 3rd party dns blacklists is 'empflindliche uebel',
and yes you are forcing them into a 'handlung
(delisting/acting AGAINST their paying customer),
duldung (ignoring the fact that you call them and others
affected by your block 'spammers') or 'unterlassung'
(interfering with their provider immunity and right to
sell services to anyone, anywhere, and keep doing so -
as long as those don't break the law -there- and even if
they do you can still sell them services as that's their
problem -there- not yours. per-se. ;)<br>
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now. that's just the blackmail part and just the BRD part... other
eu memberstates usually have simular laws...<br>
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if you knowingly and willingly insert ips into a blackmail
infrastructure which you have advertised with the argument that
you KNOW a listing has impact on 1/3rd of the worlds mail
delivery, or worse, such as spamhaus DROP, where you KNOW a
listing causes part of the internet to completely drop that
traffic, as you advertise it just for -that- purpose and know how
many nodes use it, that completely falls under pretty much any
computer sabotage act out there -ever-.<br>
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but... ofcourse... to you... some not-even-illegal use of 'smtp'
or some wintendo virusses that could be out there, are of higher
priority than keeping the internet working, and not breaking any
laws yourself.<br>
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keep in mind, we, the owners of the internet, isps and carriers,
and yes we do OWN it, 'tolerate' blacklists... as long as they
don't go around making silly demands, such as 'contacting' them,
or gaining too much influence and starting to 'demand' to
disconnect things without even bothering to get a court order.<br>
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what's next... the RIAA setting up one as well?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31 ينا, 2017 ص 04:17, ox wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:201701310419.v0V4JQ6d023997@mxdrop305.xs4all.net"
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<pre wrap="">On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:21:54 +0000
HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl"><svenk@xs4all.nl></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">smtp is just one of many protocols out there, a primitive, fairly
unimportant and severely lacking in terms of security one at that,
and it's protection cannot be a reason for any disconnection -ever-.
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<pre wrap="">This thread is about DNSBL and not about the smtp protocol but the
replies helped us all understand why it is important to permanently list
entire IP ranges. (Even if the resources change hands)
Personally, I think that block times should be increased or become more
permanent.
Practically and right now, some of the block lists that I feed data
into is talking about discontinuing 24 hour blocks completely and
moving to much longer block times.
Other lists are considering completely discontinuing auto de-listing.
The effect of this will mean that abuse@ will have to become more responsive
in order to avoid being more permanently listed.
Andre
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