[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy

as you can see all of their crap certainly never stopped me from sending 
any email if i feel the URGE to. (and that urge, i assure you, is only 
because ripe seems to think smtp is still relevant and uses it for every 
little shit where they should just use jabber or something like that).



On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:37, ox wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:19:32 +0000
> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> as for smtp being alive.. out of 4 billion ips some 200k run an smtp
>> server... still a lot more than ftp (including badly configured
>> printers and security cameras).. but considering it's a protocol that
>> was supposed to run on each and every workstation. it's dead.
>>
>> facebook has more users per second than smtp has mails per year. lol.
>>
> https://zephoria.com/top-15-valuable-facebook-statistics/
> statistics, facts (after they happened) are so crazy, lol
>
> In 2015, the number of emails sent and received per day total over 205
> billion...
>
> in 2016 email/smtp = +8% lol
>
> and 2017 - looks to be even more hectic.  - smtp maybe closer to 300
> billion (per day) or 109 Trillion emails per year...lol
>
> by 2020 we may be at 1000 trillion emails...
>
> how many users does facebook have per day. lol
>
>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:13, ox wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:01:46 +0000
>>> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>> no not all dnsbls are a problem. none of the other ones block
>>>> non-directly related prefixes as a means of extortion into complete
>>>> breach of contract. there are some 110 of them last time we
>>>> checked. we only were on the 2 operated by spamhaus. :P
>>>> so by far... pretty much all dnsbl's list the ips that originate
>>>> the 'undesired' traffic, which stops it from
>>>> reaching those that use their service, and that's where it ends for
>>>> them... that's perfectly acceptable.
>>>> (as long as it's the actual end user making the decision to use
>>>> their 'filtering' or not)
>>>>
>>> Okay, got it, thank you for that
>>>
>>>> howeverrrrr... then there is spamhaus...
>>>>
>>> yeah, but it will show good manners if you make a new thread about
>>> that?
>>>    
>>>> as for the ripe mailinglist being smtp... yes. it unfortunately
>>>> still is.. and it's about the ONLY thing that still needs smtp,
>>>> next to signing up to habbo hotel. lol. i haven't started the mail
>>>> client for anything else in years. lol. face it: smtp is dead, the
>>>> reason it is dead: is spamhaus itself. making it unreliable.
>>>> mainly.
>>>>
>>> we will have to agree to disagree (or not agree - with the same
>>> result :) )
>>>
>>> smtp - 2017 my pov (and own stats) There has never been so much
>>> legit traffic sent ever...
>>>
>>> Easy to check though as everyone on here has their own stats and to
>>> quickly analize 25 vs say 80 (wow - and 443 is just as crazy in
>>> terms of growth as 25!)  in 2015 as compared to 2016 - smtp is
>>> alive and kicking (so is 443!)
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>