[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy

although i can't see how you managed to obtain statistics on the number 
of emails being sent each day... unless spamhaus would like to admit 
that they also spy on dns requests to their dnsbl... which would lead to 
entirely different diplomatic issues... as quite a few government 
entities also send them queries every time a mail is received...


  perl -e "print ((510000+293000)*60*24)"
1156320000..

not considering that each of those posts (just photos and posts, not 
comments, chat, etc) reaches -multiple people- at the same time within a 
closed user group (friends, friends of friends) etc.

and that's just facebook alone.

maybe you included messages sent by your wrongly configured crond to 
root@ in your statistics haha.

also: trying to push 250B messages through the fairly limited number of 
smtpds (Feel free to scan port 25 and count them for yourself) could 
turn out a bit hard... lol... postfix and sendmail are not exactly 
optimized for such things lolol.

in the 1990s you would have had a point, in the 1990s we used smtp for 
every little shit from. "orders for the snackbar anyone" to "there is 
this guy here that wants this or that" - in as far as that wasn't done 
over irc. but those days are looong over. and smtp has been deliberately 
broken not to be reliable (graylisting) in terms of near-instant delivery.

also i would like to see some statistics as to 'how much spam' all of 
those dnsbls, and spamhaus seperately did manage to stop, as scaring 
customers to the next isp won't stop them from what they're doing 
anyway. lolol.. also statistics on how many people after all that shit 
caused by spamhaus now have stopped using smtp alltogether because it 
never actually works anyway... 'you ahve sent a mail to the government 
of berlin but you are on spamhaus, goodbye'... fuck it, where is the fax 
machine.


On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:37, ox wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:19:32 +0000
> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> as for smtp being alive.. out of 4 billion ips some 200k run an smtp
>> server... still a lot more than ftp (including badly configured
>> printers and security cameras).. but considering it's a protocol that
>> was supposed to run on each and every workstation. it's dead.
>>
>> facebook has more users per second than smtp has mails per year. lol.
>>
> https://zephoria.com/top-15-valuable-facebook-statistics/
> statistics, facts (after they happened) are so crazy, lol
>
> In 2015, the number of emails sent and received per day total over 205
> billion...
>
> in 2016 email/smtp = +8% lol
>
> and 2017 - looks to be even more hectic.  - smtp maybe closer to 300
> billion (per day) or 109 Trillion emails per year...lol
>
> by 2020 we may be at 1000 trillion emails...
>
> how many users does facebook have per day. lol
>
>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:13, ox wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:01:46 +0000
>>> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>>> no not all dnsbls are a problem. none of the other ones block
>>>> non-directly related prefixes as a means of extortion into complete
>>>> breach of contract. there are some 110 of them last time we
>>>> checked. we only were on the 2 operated by spamhaus. :P
>>>> so by far... pretty much all dnsbl's list the ips that originate
>>>> the 'undesired' traffic, which stops it from
>>>> reaching those that use their service, and that's where it ends for
>>>> them... that's perfectly acceptable.
>>>> (as long as it's the actual end user making the decision to use
>>>> their 'filtering' or not)
>>>>
>>> Okay, got it, thank you for that
>>>
>>>> howeverrrrr... then there is spamhaus...
>>>>
>>> yeah, but it will show good manners if you make a new thread about
>>> that?
>>>    
>>>> as for the ripe mailinglist being smtp... yes. it unfortunately
>>>> still is.. and it's about the ONLY thing that still needs smtp,
>>>> next to signing up to habbo hotel. lol. i haven't started the mail
>>>> client for anything else in years. lol. face it: smtp is dead, the
>>>> reason it is dead: is spamhaus itself. making it unreliable.
>>>> mainly.
>>>>
>>> we will have to agree to disagree (or not agree - with the same
>>> result :) )
>>>
>>> smtp - 2017 my pov (and own stats) There has never been so much
>>> legit traffic sent ever...
>>>
>>> Easy to check though as everyone on here has their own stats and to
>>> quickly analize 25 vs say 80 (wow - and 443 is just as crazy in
>>> terms of growth as 25!)  in 2015 as compared to 2016 - smtp is
>>> alive and kicking (so is 443!)
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>