[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy

customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did they arrive? -> 
yes. we did our job. no -> we did not do our job. i can't quite see why 
we would even need to know what 'smtp' is. nor any of the other obscure 
shit protocols out there.


On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>
> content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.
>
> 'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way is used as 
> intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in fact it's not abuse 
> at all. it's like tv advertisements.
>
> 'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old services 
> 'provided' by crappy windows malware, which should get some import 
> restrictions, and the problem is solved ay. it's windows itself that 
> is the malware there...
>
> 'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure sucks balls 
> and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3 top secret ones on the 
> back of a plastic card people show in every restaurant they go to are 
> 'security' - go fix your own crap and stop bothering us, we forward 
> -packets-. we don't have time to hunt ghosts for your broken financial 
> services.
>
> 'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'.. - yes .. 
> that's 'abuse'. lol.
>
> and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else is doing 
> they can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of the other party) 
> and try to get them to stop... blackmailing the sales department of 
> the transit carriers of their supplier of their supplier of their 
> supplier, will only make them change isps, cause financial loss (or 
> gains: setup fees), etc.
>
> so far all spamhaus has ever established is:
>
> - a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned' ranges.
>
> - smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays)
>
> - smtp is no longer real time (graylisting)
>
> - smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip addresses listed 
> despite there only being 300k mailservers in the world, no wonder!)
>
> so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp. 
> congratulations.
>
> everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and do have 
> friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing microsoft and 
> facebook users to spy on. well done.
>
> if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no users left. 
> people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol) or sign up for 
> habbo hotel. FACT. lol.
>
> none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks... 
> because... ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port 25... smtp 
> only causes -shit- and it -delivers shit- (abusemail and 'legal' 
> threats about shit that is not our problem). we sure as hell have some 
> customers that cause 'shit' but they usually do it in somewhat more 
> profitable markets than sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a 
> tv station or 2 to do their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol.
>
> where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros per 
> month per server would come from, i don't know, i certainly have never 
> met any... i tried to invoice one 60k once and he backed off already. 
> poor spammers. they're like child porn people. can't pay for anything, 
> so not an urgent issue at all.
>
> our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling over 
> their doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn copyright mafia. 
> slightly different budgetarial picture there. shit that -is- worth the 
> trouble.
>
> now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your crappy 
> silly old smtp protocol, which doesn't even -originate- from our 
> networks in the first fucking place, and stick it where the sun 
> doesn't shine... as for malware... windows is the malware there... it 
> facilitates all the programs residing on top of the same old 1990s 
> badly implemented os/2 ripoff crap. so basically call mickeysoft and 
> ask them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or call the european 
> commission and impose trade bans against microsoft. simple enough.
>
>
> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>
>> advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of any 
>> kind, human trafficing services, specific animals, cocain, data 
>> obtained through espionage, encryption technology, vpns, gay 
>> propaganda, military propaganda, etc is subject to applicable local 
>> law (if any, and if there is none, it's perfectly fine)... not 
>> 'spamhaus policies' as spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet 
>> government'. even if they think they should be.
>>
>> if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering 'their' 
>> territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of their own 
>> stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them others choose not to work 
>> against their own stakeholders/tax payers that way. they have a 
>> customs department to keep said products outside. can't tell others 
>> not to produce or sell or advertise it. setting up dirty front 
>> operations like 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the illusion that 
>> they would be 'fighting spam' is a very nasty thing to do. 
>> geo-political wise and business wise.
>>
>> now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect all porn 
>> sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait, thailand doesn't 
>> have a 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the entire internet through 
>> means of blackmail and calling people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.
>>
>> what also works, besides blackmailing with committing computer 
>> sabotage against the sales department of suppliers of suppliers of 
>> suppliers of the publisher of a website, are: assassins, commandos, 
>> carpet bombing, agent orange. etc... all of which should be deployed 
>> against spamhaus if you ask me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. 
>> lol. after all bgp is an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we 
>> don't block anything' as they themselves always say.
>>
>>
>> On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von 
>>> CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent servers and
>>>     run an espionage botnet on it (which we happily intercept
>>>     ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus somehow magically never lists
>>>     -that-.. just
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the listing 
>>> works!
>>>
>>> Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al!
>>>
>>> esa
>>
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