[anti-abuse-wg] an ISP can't do anything?

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 11:22:26 +0100
denis <ripedenis at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> HI
> It seems like XS4ALL is not able to do anything about being
> blacklisted. Obviously the message about handling abuse is not
> getting through....

We need to also talk about the nature of abuse and as it is a community 
shortcoming and completely understandable that one receives these types
of responses. 

Here goes...

In my no so humble opinion, there are overall abuse principles that
apply to a resource (such as a domain name) and then there are specific
principles that divide the application of policies to all resources.

Resource examples used here are IP(v4) and Domain name (there are of
course others)

Company names used are only used as example.com does not highlight the
principles and I am too stupid (and in a hurry) to type more words...

There are two main classes of resources: "Public" (for lack of a
better word) and Private (also needs a better/accurate word)

IPv4 Examples are: IP numbers that have 1 domain and IP numbers that are
multi homed (have many domains)

Domain examples are: Google.com and example.com (where only one or two
people have email @)

the handling of abuse should be related to the resource usage (whereas
currently there exists confusion, desperation and anarchy) As the
operators of he majority of either have different target goals,
understanding and guiding objectives...

For example : Suresh (extremely great resource for huge scale abuse) has
different objectives to me - we also do not respect or care about each others 
objectives as we both think that what we do is critical - yet we both need each 
other to function...(even if we would not really ever say that)

Same with resource classes - we understand they exist - but
operationally - we are varying our application of abuse management, but
not always in the class. 

If we were to clearly define the resource classes and start developing
policy around that  AND these become generally accepted by society we
will see a reduction in costs (-abuse!)  (accountants will love that - and 
owners/shareholders can have more money) 

thoughts?

Andre