[anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 63, Issue 8

Tell me, are you open to criticism or are cowards.

> Really, none of this is useful or in any way related to network abuse.

That phrase would only make sense if it were said before distilling your poison. If it were said before sending me away politely. You could say, hey man, you are not welcome here, go away. Or you can say this "politely" as you did, but it's the same thing. What you call politeness is, in fact, hypocrisy. It is the acts that qualify people, not what they write. 

> This is a list to discuss, in a professional manner, ways to deal, via technology, policy or other methods, with abuse on the Internet.

It is what you have been doing for three years (?) Without any consequence or reduction of abuse to the internet user.

> Thankfully this is what the vast, vast majority of people on this list do.

The vast, vast majority of people on this list represent ISPs – they are fox taking care of henhouse.

> It is not a place to attack others

I've been attacked several times, as I am now, and no one says shit.

> It's a place to work together, to find common ground and to reach consensus 

There was always consensus in this pro-abuse-wg.

> It is also not a place to directly report abuse. 

The directly report abuse shows how and who is practicing abuse. But you're right. This is useless information because the goal is not to outlaw the criminal actions of ISPs, but rather to guarantee the billing that this criminal attitude achieves.

> If you aren't here for that, then I suggest you go somewhere else on the Internet. 

This is the third time you've sent me away. Here, where the main perpetrators of Internet abuse are protected, is the right place. If you knew for whom I send hidden copy you would not be so comfortable in your easy speech.

Mr. Jeffrey Race,
most members of this group “do not adopt revolutionary strategies not because they are too stupid to do so but because it is contrary to their interests.”
Jeffrey, do you want deny this affirmation for the second time? Remember that? 1973?
You decided to judge me without knowing anything at all about me. Perhaps this kind of behavior explains why your analyzes were criticized by your colleagues in America. I think you spent too much time in Thailand. And until today you have not learned that to analyze facts, behaviors, policies it is necessary to know the facts, the causes, the interrelationships. Or his verbiage will be no more than preconceptions.
"Mr. Race is at least consistent in ignoring the facts." (The New York Review)
I have 8,906 files with 750 MB of evidence against ISPs, evidence of fascist, psychotic and dishonest behavior from owners and ISP staff - evidence of abuse against humanity. Collected for three years. So, my dear, do not ignore the facts.
> analysis based on evidence
Do not dare say that this group uses evidence and I complain without proof. Whenever I tried to show types of abuse with evidence, they were censored. See how long this group exists and tell me if the abuse on the internet has had any reduction. This group exists to give a certain seriousness to the system that is rotten from so RIPE and dishonest. This group exists to ensure the permanence of the current status quo. After all are only 473 billion spam PER DAY.
> you use the word 'fascist' which has a precise meaning in political science apparently as some generalized condemnation.
> Psychopathy again has a precise definition in its field which you apparently don't know.

Only you use this words with "a precise meaning in political science". For you, fascist must be a member of an undemocratic, authoritarian political regime centered on the figure of a dictator, right? Dude, you're still in your '50s America, a naive and prosperous society. I'll tell you a "novelty": the word fascist has synonyms – authoritarian, totalitarian, autocratic, extreme right-winger, Nazi, blackshirt... And, if you are a psychopath or sociopath, you will be preferred to a CEO position. Why? The sociopath feels no empathy for people, or by family members. This is the professional that shareholders want. He will cheat, lie, deceive and steal millions of people without remorse. I do not need to give you examples, do I? And they are all REFINED PEOPLE par excellence. And people like you, Jeffrey, will always extend the red carpet to them. What counts is appearance and hypocrisy. This is basic sociology. I hope it is helpful to this group. 

> If you can limit your future contributions to the subject and the expectations of this group I am sure our colleagues will be happy to have you with us.


My cultural and humanistic education (architect), my sense of justice, my duty as a citizen, my responsibility to my fellow citizens, prevent me from limiting myself to the expectations of this group. I want to put my head on the pillow and sleep, as always. I'll give you some advice Jeffrey, do not try to be sarcastic. Sarcasm is for smart people.

By the way Jeffrey, your text is fraught with abuse and insult, ask Andre.
In the first paragraph you called me inappropriate. In the second, ignorant. On the third, rude. In the fourth, violator of norms. Fifth, you tried to be sarcastic with my supposed inadequacy. And in the sixth, you sent me away.

Who gave you the right to address me in this way? You're too arrogant. You act like a bastard with the appearance of REFINED PEOPLE.
The fact that you insult me by using the REFINED PEOPLE technique does not give you the exemption you intend. It just ranks you as hypocritical. Your concept of morality and good manners is unworthy and rotten. It is based on appearance and hypocrisy.

If I had a time machine I would send you to your dear 50's America.

With love from 1950s
Marilson
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   1. Re: Language on List (ox)
   2. Re: Language on List (Brian Nisbet)
   3. Draft Minutes: RIPE73 AA-WG Meeting (Brian Nisbet)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 07:27:05 +0200
From: ox <andre at ox.co.za>
To: "Jeffrey Race" <jrace at attglobal.net>
Cc: "anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Language on List
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1486119602.29152.anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:24:10 -0500
"Jeffrey Race" <jrace at attglobal.net> wrote:
<snip>
> define yourself as refined or coarse.  Coarse people
> have fewer life opportunities because they are viewed as
> inconsiderate of refined persons (who mostly control the
> worlds institutions).  
> 
Goes back again to the 'definition of abuse' What is abuse?

I could argue that Jeffrey Race posting about "refined persons"
controlling "coarse persons" is abuse in itself. 

The "slavery" mentality (fits in with the extremely offensive and
very sexist "Ladies & Gentlemen") - slavery plantations in the USA
south much?

You do realize that some of us has worked, seen and dealt with
aberrations of atrocities so offensive as to cause severe stress (for
those among us that are not sociopaths)

> This is basic sociology.  I hope it is helpful to my fellow
> list members.
> Jeffrey Race
> 
If you are completely honest with your self, admit that there are other tenets
of basic sociology that you are ignoring in your generalized statement.

And again, pointing out that "refined people" control the world, is not
helpful at all.



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 08:53:36 +0000
From: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>
To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Language on List
Message-ID: <6d5b4e65-f23d-9f2f-3729-dda7e4a01dda at heanet.ie>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Folks,

Really, none of this is useful or in any way related to network abuse.

Thanks,

Brian
Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG

Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager
HEAnet CLG, Ireland's Education and Research Network
1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1
Registered in Ireland, no 275301  tel: +35316609040  fax: +35316603666
web: http://www.heanet.ie/

On 03/02/2017 05:27, ox wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:24:10 -0500
> "Jeffrey Race" <jrace at attglobal.net> wrote:
> <snip>
>> define yourself as refined or coarse.  Coarse people
>> have fewer life opportunities because they are viewed as
>> inconsiderate of refined persons (who mostly control the
>> worlds institutions).  
>>
> Goes back again to the 'definition of abuse' What is abuse?
> 
> I could argue that Jeffrey Race posting about "refined persons"
> controlling "coarse persons" is abuse in itself. 
> 
> The "slavery" mentality (fits in with the extremely offensive and
> very sexist "Ladies & Gentlemen") - slavery plantations in the USA
> south much?
> 
> You do realize that some of us has worked, seen and dealt with
> aberrations of atrocities so offensive as to cause severe stress (for
> those among us that are not sociopaths)
> 
>> This is basic sociology.  I hope it is helpful to my fellow
>> list members.
>> Jeffrey Race
>>
> If you are completely honest with your self, admit that there are other tenets
> of basic sociology that you are ignoring in your generalized statement.
> 
> And again, pointing out that "refined people" control the world, is not
> helpful at all.
> 



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 08:54:44 +0000
From: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>
To: "'anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net'" <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Draft Minutes: RIPE73 AA-WG Meeting
Message-ID: <a0d87d0c-5599-202f-7567-e09d0ce44a99 at heanet.ie>
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Colleagues,

I've attached the draft minutes, lovingly prepared by the RIPE NCC, from
our last meeting in Madrid.

If you have any comments or corrections, please let me know.

Brian

-- 
Brian Nisbet, Network Operations Manager
HEAnet CLG, Ireland's Education and Research Network
1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1
Registered in Ireland, no 275301  tel: +35316609040  fax: +35316603666
web: http://www.heanet.ie/
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