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<DIV>Tell me, are you open to criticism or are cowards.</DIV>
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<DIV>> Really, none of this is useful or in any way related to network
abuse.</DIV>
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<DIV>That phrase would only make sense if it were said before distilling your
poison. If it were said before sending me away politely. You could say, hey man,
you are not welcome here, go away. Or you can say this "politely" as you did,
but it's the same thing. What you call politeness is, in fact, hypocrisy. It is
the acts that qualify people, not what they write. </DIV>
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<DIV>> This is a list to discuss, in a professional manner, ways to deal, via
technology, policy or other methods, with abuse on the Internet.</DIV>
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<DIV>It is what you have been doing for three years (?) Without any consequence
or reduction of abuse to the internet user.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> Thankfully this is what the vast, vast majority of people on this list
do.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The vast, vast majority of people on this list represent ISPs – they are
fox taking care of henhouse.</DIV>
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<DIV>> It is not a place to attack others</DIV>
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<DIV>I've been attacked several times, as I am now, and no one says shit.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>> It's a place to work together, to find common ground and
to reach consensus
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There was always consensus in this pro-abuse-wg.<BR></DIV>
<DIV>> It is also not a place to directly report abuse. </DIV>
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<DIV>The directly report abuse shows how and who is practicing abuse. But you're
right. This is useless information because the goal is not to outlaw the
criminal actions of ISPs, but rather to guarantee the billing that this criminal
attitude achieves.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>> If you aren't here for that, then I suggest you go
somewhere else on the Internet.
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This is the third time you've sent me away. Here, where the main
perpetrators of Internet abuse are protected, is the right place. If you knew
for whom I send hidden copy you would not be so comfortable in your easy
speech.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mr. Jeffrey Race,</DIV>
<DIV>most members of this group<SPAN
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“do not adopt revolutionary strategies not because they are too stupid to do so
but because it is contrary to their interests.”</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>Jeffrey,
do you want deny this affirmation for the second time? Remember that?
1973?</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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decided to judge me without knowing anything at all about me. Perhaps this kind
of behavior explains why your analyzes were criticized by your colleagues in
America. I think you spent too much time in Thailand. And until today you have
not learned that to analyze facts, behaviors, policies it is necessary to know
the facts, the causes, the interrelationships. Or his verbiage will be no more
than preconceptions.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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Race is at least consistent in ignoring the facts." (The New York
Review)</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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have 8,906 files with 750 MB of evidence against ISPs, evidence of fascist,
psychotic and dishonest behavior from owners and ISP staff - evidence of abuse
against humanity. Collected for three years. So, my dear, do not ignore the
facts.</DIV></DIV>
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analysis based on evidence</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV
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not dare say that this group uses evidence and I complain without proof.
Whenever I tried to show types of abuse with evidence, they were censored. See
how long this group exists and tell me if the abuse on the internet has had any
reduction. This group exists to give a certain seriousness to the system that is
rotten from so RIPE and dishonest. This group exists to ensure the permanence of
the current status quo. After all are only 473 billion spam PER DAY.</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>> you use the word 'fascist' which has a precise meaning in political
science apparently as some generalized condemnation.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>> Psychopathy again has a precise definition in its field which you
apparently don't know.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Only you use this words with "a precise meaning in political science". For
you, fascist must be a member of an undemocratic, authoritarian political regime
centered on the figure of a dictator, right? Dude, you're still in your '50s
America, a naive and prosperous society. I'll tell you a "novelty": the word
fascist has synonyms – authoritarian, totalitarian, autocratic, extreme
right-winger, Nazi, blackshirt... And, if you are a psychopath or sociopath, you
will be preferred to a CEO position. Why? The sociopath feels no empathy for
people, or by family members. This is the professional that shareholders want.
He will cheat, lie, deceive and steal millions of people without remorse. I do
not need to give you examples, do I? And they are all REFINED PEOPLE par
excellence. And people like you, Jeffrey, will always extend the red carpet to
them. What counts is appearance and hypocrisy. This is basic sociology. I hope
it is helpful to this group. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>> If you can limit your future contributions to the subject
and the expectations of this group I am sure our colleagues will be happy to
have you with us.<BR>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My cultural and humanistic education (architect), my sense of justice, my
duty as a citizen, my responsibility to my fellow citizens, prevent me from
limiting myself to the expectations of this group. I want to put my head on the
pillow and sleep, as always. I'll give you some advice Jeffrey, do not try to be
sarcastic. Sarcasm is for smart people.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>By the way Jeffrey, your text is fraught with abuse and insult, ask
Andre.</DIV>
<DIV>In the first paragraph you called me inappropriate. In the second,
ignorant. On the third, rude. In the fourth, violator of norms. Fifth, you tried
to be sarcastic with my supposed inadequacy. And in the sixth, you sent me
away.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Who gave you the right to address me in this way? You're too arrogant. You
act like a bastard with the appearance of REFINED PEOPLE.</DIV>
<DIV>The fact that you insult me by using the REFINED PEOPLE technique does not
give you the exemption you intend. It just ranks you as hypocritical. Your
concept of morality and good manners is unworthy and rotten. It is based on
appearance and hypocrisy.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If I had a time machine I would send you to your dear 50's America.</DIV>
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love from 1950s</DIV></DIV>
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3. Draft Minutes: RIPE73 AA-WG Meeting (Brian
Nisbet)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message:
1<BR>Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 07:27:05 +0200<BR>From: ox
<andre@ox.co.za><BR>To: "Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net><BR>Cc:
"anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><BR>Subject: Re:
[anti-abuse-wg] Language on List<BR>Message-ID:
<mailman.2.1486119602.29152.anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=US-ASCII<BR><BR>On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 21:24:10
-0500<BR>"Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>
wrote:<BR><snip><BR>> define yourself as refined or coarse.
Coarse people<BR>> have fewer life opportunities because they are viewed
as<BR>> inconsiderate of refined persons (who mostly control the<BR>>
worlds institutions). <BR>> <BR>Goes back again to the 'definition of
abuse' What is abuse?<BR><BR>I could argue that Jeffrey Race posting about
"refined persons"<BR>controlling "coarse persons" is abuse in itself.
<BR><BR>The "slavery" mentality (fits in with the extremely offensive
and<BR>very sexist "Ladies & Gentlemen") - slavery plantations in the
USA<BR>south much?<BR><BR>You do realize that some of us has worked, seen and
dealt with<BR>aberrations of atrocities so offensive as to cause severe stress
(for<BR>those among us that are not sociopaths)<BR><BR>> This is basic
sociology. I hope it is helpful to my fellow<BR>> list members.<BR>>
Jeffrey Race<BR>> <BR>If you are completely honest with your self, admit that
there are other tenets<BR>of basic sociology that you are ignoring in your
generalized statement.<BR><BR>And again, pointing out that "refined people"
control the world, is not<BR>helpful at
all.<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date:
Fri, 3 Feb 2017 08:53:36 +0000<BR>From: Brian Nisbet
<brian.nisbet@heanet.ie><BR>To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net<BR>Subject: Re:
[anti-abuse-wg] Language on List<BR>Message-ID:
<6d5b4e65-f23d-9f2f-3729-dda7e4a01dda@heanet.ie><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=windows-1252<BR><BR>Folks,<BR><BR>Really, none of this is
useful or in any way related to network
abuse.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Brian<BR>Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG<BR><BR>Brian Nisbet,
Network Operations Manager<BR>HEAnet CLG, Ireland's Education and Research
Network<BR>1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1<BR>Registered in Ireland,
no 275301 tel: +35316609040 fax: +35316603666<BR>web:
http://www.heanet.ie/<BR><BR>On 03/02/2017 05:27, ox wrote:<BR>> On Thu, 02
Feb 2017 21:24:10 -0500<BR>> "Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>
wrote:<BR>> <snip><BR>>> define yourself as refined or
coarse. Coarse people<BR>>> have fewer life opportunities because
they are viewed as<BR>>> inconsiderate of refined persons (who mostly
control the<BR>>> worlds institutions). <BR>>><BR>> Goes
back again to the 'definition of abuse' What is abuse?<BR>> <BR>> I could
argue that Jeffrey Race posting about "refined persons"<BR>> controlling
"coarse persons" is abuse in itself. <BR>> <BR>> The "slavery" mentality
(fits in with the extremely offensive and<BR>> very sexist "Ladies &
Gentlemen") - slavery plantations in the USA<BR>> south much?<BR>>
<BR>> You do realize that some of us has worked, seen and dealt with<BR>>
aberrations of atrocities so offensive as to cause severe stress (for<BR>>
those among us that are not sociopaths)<BR>> <BR>>> This is basic
sociology. I hope it is helpful to my fellow<BR>>> list
members.<BR>>> Jeffrey Race<BR>>><BR>> If you are completely
honest with your self, admit that there are other tenets<BR>> of basic
sociology that you are ignoring in your generalized statement.<BR>> <BR>>
And again, pointing out that "refined people" control the world, is not<BR>>
helpful at all.<BR>>
<BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Fri, 3
Feb 2017 08:54:44 +0000<BR>From: Brian Nisbet
<brian.nisbet@heanet.ie><BR>To: "'anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net'"
<anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net><BR>Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Draft Minutes: RIPE73
AA-WG Meeting<BR>Message-ID:
<a0d87d0c-5599-202f-7567-e09d0ce44a99@heanet.ie><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="utf-8"<BR><BR>Colleagues,<BR><BR>I've attached the draft
minutes, lovingly prepared by the RIPE NCC, from<BR>our last meeting in
Madrid.<BR><BR>If you have any comments or corrections, please let me
know.<BR><BR>Brian<BR><BR>-- <BR>Brian Nisbet, Network Operations
Manager<BR>HEAnet CLG, Ireland's Education and Research Network<BR>1st Floor, 5
George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin 1<BR>Registered in Ireland, no 275301 tel:
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