[anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse - preamble

> On Aug 28, 2016 Andre Ox wrote:
> When you say: My Computer was stolen
> It means that - Someone physically took your computer away from you

Now I understand your obsession to define abuse. Abuse has several definitions as well as the word steal that you defined as being the physical act of taking something that does not belong to you. Shakespeare must be moving in his tomb.
Once you think use my computer for illicit purposes and without my consent is not theft, I prepared for you some of the many possible ways to use the word theft. See below, learn and try not to disturb the sleep of Shakespeare.

> Your take away should be to learn better English :)
> And, this is exactly why we need a good definition of abuse. It is all about words.

We need??? Certainly YOU need! After your definition of steal...
Why I should be to learn better English?!? For what? What will I do with it? It is strange to hear that from people who not succeed in define abuse and theft. And abuse and theft is a specialty of IT in the email marketing sector. I suggest you read more. Start by great thinkers. And without prejudice start by Nietzsche in On the Genealogy of Morality.

> And, Marilson, telling me that I am an example of a single abuse
> resource, when all I am doing is simply trying to understand what the
> heck you are talking about (as you are using the wrong English words) 
> is not cool. I did not once call you any names or say anything
> personally rude about you, I know exactly how fast things can be in a
> third or fourth or even fifth+ language :(

Your comments are full of arrogance and veiled insults. And you are being a hypocrite in saying that is not rude. End an offense with a smiley does not improve your attitude. And you need to understand that does not own the truth and must learn to live with contradictory. :)

STEAL
As verb (used with object):
to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.
to take, get, or win insidiously, surreptitiously, subtly, or by chance.
to move, bring, convey, or put secretly or quietly; smuggle.
Baseball - (of a base runner) to gain (a base) without the help of a walk or batted ball.
Games - to gain (a point, advantage, etc.) by strategy, chance, or luck.
to gain or seize more than one's share of attention in, as by giving a superior performance: The comedian stole the show. 

As verb (used without object):
to move, go, or come secretly, quietly, or unobserved: She stole out of the house at midnight.
to pass, happen, etc., imperceptibly, gently, or gradually: The years steal by.

As noun:
Informal - an act of stealing.
Informal - the thing stolen.
Informal - something acquired at a cost far below its real value; bargain: This dress is a steal at $40.

As Idioms: 
steal someone's thunder, to appropriate or use another's idea, plan,words, etc.
Examples from the Web for steal:
to steal music without paying a dime for it.
to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own.
"We steal our own happiness for no apparent reason," says Danziger.
“Sometimes they are said to steal only the heart—like Lancashire witches.” John Gibson Lockhart. 

to steal a glance at
to steal a march upon someone
to steal a marriage
to steal away 
to steal out
to steal upon someone 
to steal someone’s heart 
to steal someone’s thunder
to steal the show

I STOLE this... sorry Andre, I PICKED UP this using Internet.

I will tell you when it is forbidden to use the word stole:
Great nations never stole, simply took in order to make themselves great. (Solon)

Marilson
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Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 16:06:20 -0300
From: "Marilson" <marilson.mapa at gmail.com>
To: "ox" <andre at ox.co.za>
Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse - preamble
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Please, Andre. I'm sorry if I'm forcing you to be so so vulgar that I can understand your extraordinary knowledge about abuse on the Internet. Do not worry, your technical colleagues will understand you.

Sorry my low intellectual capacity, but you used the following expressions to explain what is not Internet Abuse:

> No, it is not an abuse group for people whose pc's has been stolen or abused in their homes.

Now, it is clear that you could also have said: the cat crushed by that car is not of account of this abuse group. I'm sorry but I thought you was talking about internet.

When I wrote:
> If someone had their home PC infected or abused, it's because someone used the means and tools provided by RIRs, Registrars and ISPs.

You reply:
> Just stealing a pc - Is called theft...
> I hope this helps you understand?
> If not, maybe you can provide a lot more specifics of how stealing a pc is Internet Abuse?
> Thank you so much!

Disregarding the excess of arrogance in your words I explained how stealing a pc is Internet Abuse:

> If a computer was infected for sending spam or malicious files, it was stolen. After all we are talking about Internet, right?
And you wrote in your second reply:
> If someone steals your PC or breaks into your home to steal your pc It is NOT Internet Abuse... (emphasis added)

Wow! Now we are talking about breaking and entering to steal objects, that is, we are talking about the cat crushed by that car is not of account of that abuse group.
Compare with the original sentence: ?No, it is not an abuse group for people whose pc's has been stolen or abused in their homes.?

You were talking about potatoes and I was talking about orange. The difference is that my orange was synonymous of Internet and their potato was ... potatoes.
Just to be technically clear :)
Pall, you are a real world example of a single resource abuse. But your definition still holds up...
Good lucky
Marilson
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