[anti-abuse-wg] Brian Krebs posts stophaus chat logs of Spamhaus ddos coordination

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 18:21:00 +0530
Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com> wrote:

> You might find "I know it when I see it" as reasonable a definition
> as this group is ever going to arrive at
> 
We are all learning all the time - I learned from Gert Doering that there 
could be authorized 'abuse' - which of course is not abuse 
- as it is authorized...

I think that this thread is and has been of value to many?

Some people, even those under bridges, are forced to actually think
about the issues and what abuse is and what it is not.

just to simply define it as I will know it when I see it - is a very
wrong attitude, I think? - this complicates the abuse issue and which is
why there are so many places that still do not deal with abuse - they
simply do not believe that whatever they are doing is abusive.

Abuse is not about belief.

Abuse is a real thing. People abuse animals. People abuse the Internet.

You can never simply say: I will know animal abuse when I see it, or, I
will know child abuse when I see it.

It has to be defined and my attitude has to be: I have to define
Internet Abuse and not, I will know it when I see it...


Andre


> --srs
> 
> > On 27-Aug-2016, at 6:17 PM, ox <andre at ox.co.za> wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 18:04:53 +0530
> > Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> The one takeaway i get from this seems to be that the bad guys are
> >> perfectly aware of just where they can find loose or poorly
> >> implemented security and abuse policies - who is incompetent, who
> >> is malicious, who to abuse, who not to abuse
> >> 
> >> And action if any gets taken only after significant pressure is
> >> applied.
> >> 
> > true... as per the convo - easy to find a .ru upstream, etc. 
> > 
> > But, it is becoming more obvious that before we can deal with
> > anything properly anyway, we need to be able to properly define
> > what it is.
> > 
> > How can anyone expect anyone to implement proper abuse policies if
> > open society cannot even agree, openly, about what internet abuse
> > even is?
> > 
> > Andre
> >