[anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

Yes that is what I said about a legal obligation versus good citizenship

--srs

> On 17-Aug-2016, at 2:46 PM, ox <andre at ox.co.za> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:38:09 +0530
> Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think the term that's being collectively  groped for is whether
>> ripe ncc has a reporting obligation in case it discovers criminal
>> activity
>> 
>> The number of cases where such reporting is mandatory in law and not
>> simply a matter of good citizenship is rather limited - threat to
>> life, kidnap, etc.
>> 
> No, not so much...
> 
> It is not a "point of view" whether RIPE has the obligation to file
> criminal complaints when there is fraud committed against RIPE
> 
> Under Dutch Law, We have already heard how RIPE is registered...
> 
> In fact, if it was a public company, it would not be much different either..
> 
> Speaking generally, in most places in the world where you are working
> or operating the assets of someone other than yourself their are many
> additional things that become relevant to your own operation...
> 
> I think that we may want to hear from RIPE legal in that regard
> 
> But, what I am also saying is that socially, civil society and simple
> ethics and good custodial management, basic decency and so very very
> many other things demand that RIPE files criminal complaints when there
> is crime.
> 
> For example: Should an official of RIPE steal money at RIPE there is an
> obligation to file a criminal complaint.
> 
> Same principles apply all throughout
> 
> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> --srs
>> 
>> On 17-Aug-2016, at 2:26 PM, Rob Evans <rhe at nosc.ja.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>> When anyone commits fraud to obtain a resource from RIPE, RIPE has
>>>> the responsibility to file criminal charges against that criminal.
>>>> 
>>>> I am not saying that I think RIPE should file criminal charges, I
>>>> am saying that not doing so is in itself a questionable action.
>>> 
>>> Well, to be pedantic, *criminal* charges are filed by the police
>>> or other law-enforcment body, not by companies. :)
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
> 
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