<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><div style="direction: inherit;">Yes that is what I said about a legal obligation versus good citizenship</div> --srs</div><div> On 17-Aug-2016, at 2:46 PM, ox <<a href="mailto:andre@ox.co.za">andre@ox.co.za</a>> wrote: </div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:38:09 +0530 Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:ops.lists@gmail.com">ops.lists@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote type="cite">I think the term that's being collectively groped for is whether </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ripe ncc has a reporting obligation in case it discovers criminal </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">activity </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The number of cases where such reporting is mandatory in law and not </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">simply a matter of good citizenship is rather limited - threat to </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">life, kidnap, etc. </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote>No, not so much... It is not a "point of view" whether RIPE has the obligation to file criminal complaints when there is fraud committed against RIPE Under Dutch Law, We have already heard how RIPE is registered... In fact, if it was a public company, it would not be much different either.. Speaking generally, in most places in the world where you are working or operating the assets of someone other than yourself their are many additional things that become relevant to your own operation... I think that we may want to hear from RIPE legal in that regard But, what I am also saying is that socially, civil society and simple ethics and good custodial management, basic decency and so very very many other things demand that RIPE files criminal complaints when there is crime. For example: Should an official of RIPE steal money at RIPE there is an obligation to file a criminal complaint. Same principles apply all throughout Andre <blockquote type="cite">--srs </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 17-Aug-2016, at 2:26 PM, Rob Evans <<a href="mailto:rhe@nosc.ja.net">rhe@nosc.ja.net</a>> wrote: </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">When anyone commits fraud to obtain a resource from RIPE, RIPE has </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the responsibility to file criminal charges against that criminal. </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I am not saying that I think RIPE should file criminal charges, I </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">am saying that not doing so is in itself a questionable action. </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Well, to be pedantic, *criminal* charges are filed by the police </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">or other law-enforcment body, not by companies. :) </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Rob </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> </blockquote></blockquote> </div></blockquote></body></html>