[anti-abuse-wg] Abusive behavior by Google Inc

I don't work for gmail fyi (as a quick google search will tell you, or a Bing if you hate google so much) and I don't use sorbs either, not since the late 2000s anyway.

Without seeing a smtp txn with logging all the way up or a tcpdump I am not sure what is going on but a read error probably means you're dropping the smtp connection right after the 5xx without giving gmail the time to gracefully QUIT the smtp session.  Or vice versa 

--srs

> On 14-Apr-2016, at 8:05 PM, andre at ox.co.za wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:51:27 +0530
> Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This isn't quite mailop but anyway - what specifically do you mean by
>> replace here?
> Yes, but is is an abuse wok group - it is important that the group also
> discusses abuse, more so if their is abusive behavior from a huge
> multinational.
> 
>> Do you strip mime parts that you consider spam or malware and replace
>> them with a suitable message?  And is the gmail mta not reacting well
>> to that?
>> 
>> Examples would be interesting - certainly much more interesting than
>> a vague rant.
> Not a vague rant at all - the original post already contains the
> information. Gmail is behaving poorly/abusively.
> 
> maybe you require me to add additional information? - as there is ZERO
> chance that you do not know what I am complaining about...
> 
> I do wonder why you are not simply replying honestly and openly?
> 
> ... Gmail customer sends email from Gmail to @ox.co.za
> 
> ox.co.za responds: Listed at SORBS Currently sending SPAM!
> 
> Gmail sends "improved" bounce report to Gmail customer:
> 
> example:
> 
>> Date: 14 April 2016 at 14:09:39 SAST
>> To: customer at gmail.com
>> 
>> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
>> 
>>    andre at ox.co.za
>> 
>> Technical details of permanent failure: 
>> read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error
>> 
>> ----- Original message -----
> 
> 
>> --srs
> 
> andre
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>>> On 14-Apr-2016, at 7:17 PM, andre at ox.co.za wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Incase anyone receives weird NON RFC bounces, from @gmail.com
>>> customers saying:
>>> 
>>> Technical details of permanent failure: 
>>> read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error
>>> 
>>> What this means is:
>>> 
>>> Google Inc does REPLACE the "Blocked for abuse / spam /scams /
>>> phish / virus / spyware messages from the various filters
>>> 
>>> and sens a cryptic non RFC message to their users implying that the
>>> receivers email server is broken in some way....
>>> 
>>> This is truly EVIL of Google to do...
>>> 
>>> As they, Google are the ones sending PHISH / VIRUS/ SCAMS / SPAM!
>>> 
>>> Example: @209.85.218.43
>>> 
>>> http://www.scammed.by/scam.php?id=185816
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Instead of SOLVING the abuse - Google chooses to send CRYPTIC
>>> technical failure messages...
>>> 
>>> Because they are a monopoly and they are simply just too large to
>>> care??
>>> 
>>> Yes, of course!
>>> 
>>> Andre
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