[anti-abuse-wg] Abusive behavior by Google Inc

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:51:27 +0530
Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> This isn't quite mailop but anyway - what specifically do you mean by
> replace here?
> 
Yes, but is is an abuse wok group - it is important that the group also
discusses abuse, more so if their is abusive behavior from a huge
multinational.

> Do you strip mime parts that you consider spam or malware and replace
> them with a suitable message?  And is the gmail mta not reacting well
> to that?
> 
> Examples would be interesting - certainly much more interesting than
> a vague rant.
> 
Not a vague rant at all - the original post already contains the
information. Gmail is behaving poorly/abusively.

maybe you require me to add additional information? - as there is ZERO
chance that you do not know what I am complaining about...

I do wonder why you are not simply replying honestly and openly?

... Gmail customer sends email from Gmail to @ox.co.za

ox.co.za responds: Listed at SORBS Currently sending SPAM!

Gmail sends "improved" bounce report to Gmail customer:

example:

> Date: 14 April 2016 at 14:09:39 SAST
> To: customer at gmail.com
> 
> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
> 
>     andre at ox.co.za
> 
> Technical details of permanent failure: 
> read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error
> 
> ----- Original message -----
> 


> --srs
> 

andre






> > On 14-Apr-2016, at 7:17 PM, andre at ox.co.za wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Incase anyone receives weird NON RFC bounces, from @gmail.com
> > customers saying:
> > 
> > Technical details of permanent failure: 
> > read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error
> > 
> > What this means is:
> > 
> > Google Inc does REPLACE the "Blocked for abuse / spam /scams /
> > phish / virus / spyware messages from the various filters
> > 
> > and sens a cryptic non RFC message to their users implying that the
> > receivers email server is broken in some way....
> > 
> > This is truly EVIL of Google to do...
> > 
> > As they, Google are the ones sending PHISH / VIRUS/ SCAMS / SPAM!
> > 
> > Example: @209.85.218.43
> > 
> > http://www.scammed.by/scam.php?id=185816
> > 
> > 
> > Instead of SOLVING the abuse - Google chooses to send CRYPTIC
> > technical failure messages...
> > 
> > Because they are a monopoly and they are simply just too large to
> > care??
> > 
> > Yes, of course!
> > 
> > Andre
> > 
>