[anti-abuse-wg] New Abuse Information on RIPE NCC Website

On Friday 21 June 2013 13.49, Erik Bais wrote:
> 
> >>> Of course in amongst all of this I would suspect if the resources were
> >>> handed out, there would be a lot of depeering and null routing going on
> >>> in relation to the poor, forced-to-spam, citizens of the Grand Duchy. :)
> >>
> >> Once again, based upon the available evidence, I would claim that it
> >> would in fact be improbable that any substantial amount of deppeering
> >> and/or null routing would occur, in practice.  It is a classic "trajedy
> >> of the commons" problem, and no operator would wish to have to explain
> >> to its user base why they, end end lusers, can no longer send e-mail to
> >> their cousins in Grand Fenwick.
> 
> > I'm not sure, Spamhaus were quite happy to block Latvia for a far 
> > smaller reason. I think if it was a mandated activity for all citizens 
> > the reaction of the international community might be interesting.
> 
> > Brian
> 
> For those that want to read up on what actually happened on that specific incident in Latvia (July/August 2010), have a read on the following open letter from CERT.lv 
> 
> https://cert.lv/uploads/uploads/OpenLetter.pdf 
> 
> Erik Bais 

cert.lv is wrong on one point : There is no "right" to send spam, and there is no right to 
send mail to anyone. It's a service that each and every mailserver owner has to deny 
mail on any reason.  Spamhaus ( and other) is only a list of known abusers, anyone
using any of these lists has the right to do so.
Aggreed that some listings are in error. That should be resolved asap, but as long as
a provider does not stop spam they will sooner or later be listed.

A few providers actually prevent spam. Those won't show up in listings. To stay out
of listings one has to be more then whining, one has to actually prevent spam originating!

 
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> 

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        Peter Håkanson   

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