[anti-abuse-wg] Update on the EU Clean-IT project

Julien, you seem to have misinterpreted what I said.
It can not be the job of RIPE to make Anti-Terror-Laws.
Such laws already exist.
The proposed paper looks like to aim only the radical islamists
whereas there are more dangerous idiots out there, like the nazis,
christian fundamentalists, jewish fanatics etc.
They all should have been addressed, and not only the radical islamists.
We don't want have a totalitarian Internet, a Big Brother RIPE.
RIPE should be responsible for the technical and administrative issues
of the Internet, not political or religious issues.

Here's a good analysis about terrorists and the terrorist makers:
  http://presstv.com/detail/2012/09/20/262683/israel-seeks-iran-war-to-keep-lid-on-911/


julien tayon wrote, On 09/22/2012 04:52 PM:
> Could we add the following corporate terrorism (using threats to
> achieve what you do not wish to achieve through democratic means):
>
> - using libel as a way to shut down consumer's voice (mc
> libel/Danone/Monstanto);
> - EDF spying on greenpeace;
> - the corporate companies (MS, amnesys) helping lybia/tunisia
> dictatorship spy on their people;
>   - the more than probable help of companies in cyber warfare (dassault
> desactivating iraqui's IFF on mirage, flame malware?);
> - the clearly wtf TOS for social services specifying legal content as
> not being sharable (nude is wrong (but legal), nazis stuff are right
> (but sometimes illegal));
>
>
> Terror is all about short circuiting democratic means to achieve your
> goals by the means of fear.
> Libelling and copyright laws are being used as a clear threat to
> freedom of speech, thus as democracy by the mean of terrorizing people
> willing to launch debates.
>
> How can I trust someone using terror on the internet to fight the terror?
>
> I am not willing to fight any terrorists by supporting other
> terrorists. No Terrorism is acceptable. Even terrorism made by people
> in nice suits and driving fast sport cars.
>
> 2012/9/22 U.Mutlu <security at mutluit.com>:
>> Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote, On 09/22/2012 02:02 AM:
>>
>>> How or why do you say they are anti Islamic?
>>
>>
>> Just look at this list on their web page
>> http://www.cleanitproject.eu/documents/ :
>>
>> "
>> Please find below a list of public papers, reports and articles about the
>> terrorist use of the Internet:
>> 2004 E-Terror
>> 2006 Hezbollah use of the Internet
>> 2006 Terrorism and Internet
>> 2006 Jihadis and Internet
>> 2007 Jihadism online
>> 2008 Terrorist use of the Internet
>> 2008 Virtual Caliphate
>> 2009 Internet radicalisation South East Asia
>> 2009 Online Radicalisation
>> 2009 Recruitment and Radicalisation
>> 2009 Terrorism and the Internet
>> 2009 Jihadis and the Internet update
>> 2009 How Jihadis adapt to the web
>> 2009 Terrorist financing on the Internet
>> 2009 Online propaganda by Jihadis (in Spanish)
>> 2010 Global Extremist Organisations
>> 2010 Radical websites in Indonesia
>> 2010 Virtual Jihad (in German)
>> 2011 Use of the Internet for Counter Terrorist purposes
>> 2011 Role of Internet for terrorists (in Spanish)
>> 2012 Jihadism on the Web
>> 2012 Terrorists Using Social Online Networking
>> "
>>
>> Do you see in the list any document against nazi websites,
>> or of jewish fanatics, or of christian fundamentalists?...
>> Very suspicious...
>>
>>
>>> --srs (htc one x)
>>> On Sep 21, 2012 10:52 PM, "U.Mutlu" <security at mutluit.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brian Nisbet wrote, On 09/21/2012 05:02 PM:
>>>>
>>>>> Erik,
>>>>> Erik Bais wrote the following on 21/09/2012 13:55:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thnx for that Brian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll save my questions on this topics for next Thursday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. Also, the Clean IT project has just posted this reaction:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cleanitproject.eu/**edri-publishes-clean-it-**
>>>>>
>>>>> discussion-document/<http://www.cleanitproject.eu/edri-publishes-clean-it-discussion-document/>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The "press release" begins with this sentence:
>>>>    "However EDRI suggests otherwise, a posted document on their website
>>>>    does not provide concrete proposal to tackle terrorism on the
>>>> internet."
>>>>
>>>> Do I need to brush up my english, or what is it saying exactly? :-)
>>>>
>>>> I don't think, and hope that such an anti-Islam-only paper (and
>>>> anti-Islam
>>>> organisation and web site they have set up under the RIPE umbrella with
>>>> EU
>>>> tax money),
>>>> can or should ever get any ratification from the netizens.
>>>> It even looks like a paper coming directly from Israel's foreign secret
>>>> service Mossad...
>>
>>
>>
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