[anti-abuse-wg] Enabling community self-help?

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 08:56:49PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> > *My* requirements are already met.  *If* the legal authorities in a given
> > country convict the owners of a LIR, the RIPE NCC will take the resources
> > away.  This is good enough for me, and this is how *law* works in the EU.
> >
> > You seem to require something else.
> 
> 
> This ignores, for example, that there are several jurisdictions where for
> various reasons a conviction is hard or impossible for reasons such as -
> 
> All the illegal actions (whatever they are) are committed against citizens
> of other countries
> Inadequate laws in the country where the criminal is based
> Lack of mutual legal assistance etc treaties with a country where law
> enforcement is interested + has victims seeking redress
> Possible bribery of local police and judiciary by the criminals

Yes, I understand that.  But what's the consequence?  What other legal
system can we use, if not either the legal system valid in the country
a LIR is located, or something like "international maritine law" (which
doesn't particularily help here).  There is no Internet Law yet that
we could use to decide upon someone's "badness".

Yelling at the RIPE NCC's refusal to become the Internet Police based
on something that's outside the existing legal system is not really
helping.

To come back to your example: if you think that a specific country, let's
call it ".xx", is not up to your legal standards and there is no goodness
coming from there - well, filter all networks registered to .xx LIRs
in your routers.  That will keep the badness out of your network, and
if the pressure becomes too high, something *will* change in that country.

Gert Doering
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