[anti-abuse-wg] whois 5C's

 >There's rather a big difference between access to bulk whois data of 
any sort for security or other "internet community" related, NON 
COMMERCIAL purposes, versus bulk whois data to run a >commercial service.

Once the information is publicly available you cannot control how it is 
used.  Trying to control how it is used is a pointless exercise.  
Further, restricting the data for marketing purposes also restricts its 
use for security purposes as well.   It boild down to restricting the 
data based on wheher you like what the person is doing and not whether 
it is legal or not.  Commercial purposes are legal and without them 
people would not have jobs.

Most security companies are also commercial.  Something like Spamhaus 
sell services so are they a security purpose or commercial purposes?  
The problem is that people in the abuse community simply say the issue 
is black and white and they disregard the needs of users based on their 
own feelings about how the world should be.  Their experience on the 
Internet is often limited to a small number of administrators and 
technical types and not the general user.   In fact these type of people 
often have disdain for the average Internet user as can often be seen 
here by all the childish "attack" posts when someone posts something 
they don't like or when someone is uniformed.  Most Internet users are 
uninformed about many issues but you cannot simply disregard them 
because of this.  The abuse people often come off as a bunch of 
teenagers sitting around insulting everyone who walks by.

I noticed you did not address RIPE releasing the legal opinions they have.

Thank You