[anti-abuse-wg] meeting minutes

Hi,

"lists at help.org" wrote the following on 12/06/2012 16:38:
> Hi,
>
> the meeting minutes are so vague and unclear that most people would have
> no idea what is discussed or what the issues are. For instance, the
> issues include that there is no linkage between the EU privacy laws and
> the actions taken by RIPE. The same goes for the so-called consensus
> process. it is so vague and the issues are not spelled out so anyone can
> claim a "consensus" even though the issues were never really identified.

If the minutes are unclear you can view the full WG stream and read the 
stenography here:

https://ripe64.ripe.net/archives/#Thursday
https://ripe64.ripe.net/archives/steno/21
https://ripe64.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/anti-abuse-wg/

I'm not sure what other questions you have, precisely.

> Also, there is a proposal to change the way abuse contacts are listed in
> the database. however, there is no description as to what makes those
> contacts fundamentally different from other contacts as it relates to
> the law and the claimed "consensus". The minutes seemed designed to make
> sure outsiders have no idea what is going on.

The full text of 2011-06 as it stands right now can be found here:

http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2011-06

This policy has not reached consensus and is still in review phase, as 
Emilio stated last week.

> It is interesting to note the ".ro" database that claims technical
> contacts cannot be revealed because it is protected by a specific
> privacy law. they also claim "copyrights" on the data even though
> copyrights do not cover lists of facts like whois data.

Interesting, certainly, but not relevant to 2011-06 because that only 
relates to the RIPE DB. In fact 2011-06 is attempting to make abuse 
contact more accessible to everyone, even in bulk.

Brian.