[anti-abuse-wg] Manual vs automated reports

This is the RIPE anti-abuse WG - I was referring to our _network_ NOT a domain, either ours or anyone else's

Regards

Michele

Mr. Michele Neylon
Blacknight
http://Blacknight.tel

Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity

On 26 Jul 2012, at 15:27, "peter h" <peter at hk.ipsec.se> wrote:

> On Wednesday 25 July 2012 17.39, "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" wrote:
>> Arnold
>> Do a Whois lookup on any IP in As39122
>> You should see an abuse contact....
>> 
>> Yet we still get reports sent to accounts@ sales@ etc.,
> 
> Not that strange :
>> whois blacknight.tel
> Domain Name:                                 BLACKNIGHT.TEL
> Domain ID:                                   D591748-TEL
> Sponsoring Registrar:                        BLACKNIGHT INTERNET SOLUTIONS LTD
> Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID:                1448
> Registrar URL (registration services):       www.blacknight.com
> Domain Status:                               clientTransferProhibited
> Registrant ID:                               TUDHRH3SZ9DINEQF
> Registrant Name:                             Michele Neylon
> Registrant Organization:                     Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd
> Registrant Address1:                         Barrowside Business Park
> Registrant Address2:                         Unit 12a
> Registrant Address3:                         Sleaty Road
> Registrant City:                             Carlow
> Registrant State/Province:                   Co Carlow
> Registrant Postal Code:                      000000
> Registrant Country:                          Ireland
> Registrant Country Code:                     IE
> Registrant Phone Number:                     +353.599183072
> Registrant Email:                            management at blacknight.ie
> Administrative Contact ID:                   TURPH7M0XB4O2DZO
> Administrative Contact Name:                 Michele Neylon
> Administrative Contact Organization:         Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd
> Administrative Contact Address1:             Barrowside Business Park
> Administrative Contact Address2:             Unit 12a
> Administrative Contact Address3:             Sleaty Road
> Administrative Contact City:                 Carlow
> Administrative Contact State/Province:       Co Carlow
> Administrative Contact Postal Code:          000000
> Administrative Contact Country:              Ireland
> Administrative Contact Country Code:         IE
> Administrative Contact Phone Number:         +353.599183072
> Administrative Contact Email:                management at blacknight.ie
> Billing Contact ID:                          TURO0PYDHUERE11M
> Billing Contact Name:                        Michele Neylon
> Billing Contact Organization:                Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd
> Billing Contact Address1:                    Barrowside Business Park
> Billing Contact Address2:                    Unit 12a
> Billing Contact Address3:                    Sleaty Road
> Billing Contact City:                        Carlow
> Billing Contact State/Province:              Co Carlow
> Billing Contact Postal Code:                 000000
> Billing Contact Country:                     Ireland
> Billing Contact Country Code:                IE
> Billing Contact Phone Number:                +353.599183072
> Billing Contact Email:                       management at blacknight.ie
> Technical Contact ID:                        TUJJC18TGSETV3QQ
> Technical Contact Name:                      Michele Neylon
> Technical Contact Organization:              Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd
> Technical Contact Address1:                  Barrowside Business Park
> Technical Contact Address2:                  Unit 12a
> Technical Contact Address3:                  Sleaty Road
> Technical Contact City:                      Carlow
> Technical Contact State/Province:            Co Carlow
> Technical Contact Postal Code:               000000
> Technical Contact Country:                   Ireland
> Technical Contact Country Code:              IE
> Technical Contact Phone Number:              +353.599183072
> Technical Contact Email:                     management at blacknight.ie
> Name Server:                                 A0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL
> Name Server:                                 D0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL
> Name Server:                                 N0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL
> Name Server:                                 S0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL
> Name Server:                                 T0.CTH.DNS.NIC.TEL
> Created by Registrar:                        INJECTCSR
> Last Updated by Registrar:                   BLACKNIGHT INTERNET SOLUTIONS LTD
> Last Transferred Date:                       Wed Mar 02 23:46:19 GMT 2011
> Domain Registration Date:                    Mon Mar 23 23:59:59 GMT 2009
> Domain Expiration Date:                      Sat Mar 22 23:59:59 GMT 2014
> Domain Last Updated Date:                    Wed Feb 15 15:43:42 GMT 2012
> Registrar Fields
> ----------------
> TrademarkRegistrationDate:                   2006/10/26
> 
>>>>> Whois database was last updated on: Thu Jul 26 14:18:37 GMT 2012 <<<<
> 
> 
> 
> There is no "abuse" address for someone searching for "blacknight.tel"
> 
> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Michele
>> 
>> Mr. Michele Neylon
>> Blacknight
>> http://Blacknight.tel
>> 
>> Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity
>> 
>> On 25 Jul 2012, at 16:25, "Arnold" <wiegert at telus.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 25/07/2012 6:52 AM, Frank Gadegast wrote:
>>>> "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>>> If they send reports to $random addresses they don't really deserve a response
>>>> 
>>>> Thats a true word for prefessionals, but not for not-so-skilled
>>>> reporter, that are happy to find out, that there is something like RIPE
>>>> and a whois showing them who is responsible for a resource, if they
>>>> get abused.
>>> I have to agree with this.
>>> As a purely 'amateur' reporter, The WhoIs record is all I can rely on
>>> as an _officially_ published record to report my complaint.
>>> There are other ways, but none are as easy to use and as official.
>>> 
>>> If the people responsible for reducing SPAM won't do anything to make
>>> it easier by at least enforcing a proper abuse address in the expected
>>> and designated place, then it makes the job of reporting and reducing
>>> SPAM that  much harder.
>>> 
>>> No matter what you will do, publishing  any address opens the door to
>>> receiving SPAM, but ... why complain about it; use the information
>>> provided by this SPAM in the same way you expect any other user
>>> to use it - except you won't need me to report it to you :-)
>>> 
>>> Arnold
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Fight Spam - report it with wxSR
>>> http://www.columbinehoney.net/wxSR.shtml
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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> 
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