[anti-abuse-wg] Some Facts for the Record

On 1/28/2012 2:45 PM, russ at consumer.net wrote:
>> assertions are incorrect -- and the language at IANA doesn't support your
> model: <http://www.iana.org/about> >
>> perhaps you'd care to point at the legal documents that prove otherwise.
>
> It was already posted by Mr. Pawlik:
>
> http://www.icann.org/en/general/iana-contract-14aug06.pdf
 >
> As you can see IANA is a separate legal entity. If you read you can see that

Yes, reading carefully is a challenge.

What name did you see under "Name and address of Contractor"?

I can imagine all sorts of visual and cognitive impairments that might distort 
what's there, but none that produce "IANA" or any variant, out of what it says, 
which is ICANN.

You seem to have some difficulty with the difference between a legal entity and 
a function to be performed by that entity.  Note that IANA's own language says 
"department of" ICANN.


> As you can see IANA is a separate legal entity. If you read you can see that
>  ICANN provides the resources for the IANA function but the actual legal
> entity on the contract is IANA.

Since you seem to be saying that something inside the contract refers to IANA as 
a separate legal entity, please cite the specific language, not just a generic 
pointer to the whole document.


>> I could well be wrong, but I doubt that your strident efforts at bullying
> those who disagree with you
>> is all that productive.
>
> You started with the ad hominem bullying and I just responded in kind.

Please cite the specific language in my original posting that you consider ad 
hominem.  Please note that saying "you are wrong" is not ad hominem.  Saying 
"you are an idiot" or "The problem is people like you" or "you are a bully" is.


> My
> methods may not help with my immediate issue but in the long run it is good
> to ruffle some feathers so maybe the next person who has issues like mine

Care to point to documents that substantiate some exemplars of this tactic's 
working, absent community support for that approach?


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   Dave Crocker
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