[anti-abuse-wg] latest RIPE reply on privacy

 >If you think that the system is flawed (sorry, I don't agree with the 
delusion that the ppl are fraud)
 >than why not propose a policy to correct the system. Its just a matter 
of couple of weeks
 >work IFF you are correct.

That is because the system is so flawed in its current state that it is 
a waste of time.  I already pointed to the
report to the community is so sketchy that the majority of the community 
do not know what is actually going on
and RIPE is actively hiding information (such as the legal opinion) from 
the community.  So I don't agree with the
delusion that you have a working, legitimate system.  What you have is a 
small number of people who run
things their way and run anyone else "out of town."


 >Bashing on EU and dutch privacy regulations and RIPC NCC itself on a 
mailing list whose topic is about tackling
 >online abuse is off-tooic.

I never bashed the regulations themselves.  It is the RIPE NCC and some 
people in the community who are
lying about the applicability of the laws because they have a personal 
agenda.  If the people involved in abuse
are not following laws, regulations, and common sense how can those 
people competently deal with abuse issues?

What you are really saying is that nobody is allowed to question the 
anti-abuse groups because they are on a
"mission from God" and are above following regulations themselves.  You 
don't like me pointing out these facts
so you claim it is off-topic because you have no other argument.  I went 
to catholic School when I was young.
nobody was allowed to say anthing bad about the church or priests.  Now 
the truth is starting to come out.

If the group is lying about the application of EU privacy laws, if they 
are hiding information, if they don't follow the
privacy laws themselves then they cannot legitimately handle abuse 
issues.  You need to clean house with these
groups and get a diverse group to tackle this issue.  Right now you have 
a small number of system admins who never
consider any other issue in the world other than the spams they get.

Thank You