[anti-abuse-wg] abuse-contact is not going to fly unless we get all the legitimate players adopting it first

Thor Kottelin wrote:

>
> Having a working abuse address is but a technicality. All mail sent to the
> address could still be handled by Mr Null. Another possible approach is this
> one:

Again, technical validation is no cure against ISPs that
do not want to receive abuse reports, its a cure against
contacts that are forgotten and wrong by accident or
even mailservers with problems that are unrecognized
by the ISP.

Surely you cannot force any member to work against abuse, but
we can improve the accuracy of the contacts of those, that
do like it.

BTW: we had this problem with Kabeldeutschland lately,
      they updated their contacts now and receive reports
      again and really do something against abuse again.
      This was just an mistake of the ISP (they did not
      recognized by weeks).
      The manual work to get in contact with Kabeldeutschland
      was really complicated and intense, it would be helpful,
      if RIPE NCC would have a technical validation, simply
      because they have better ways to contact their members,
      and their members probably listen to RIPE NCC quicker
      than to any complainant.

Kind regards, Frank

>
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; abuse at romtelecom.ro
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.0.0
> Remote-MTA: DNS; it11.romtelecom.ro
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 554 rejected due to spam content
> Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 18:07:50 +0300
>
> Even if the RIPE NCC would check abuse addresses by sending some kind of
> challenges, those messages might not trigger the spam filter of the
> Romanians, instead returning an OK result.
>
> Black hat providers will always ignore abuse reports (or use them to improve
> their spam lists), so having an abuse address that works on the SMTP level
> is just a beginning, useless on its own.
>
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