[anti-abuse-wg] draft policy

Gert Doering wrote:
> Hi,
>

Hi,

> On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 06:02:22AM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>> Frank Gadegast<ripe-anti-spam-wg at powerweb.de>  wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe RIPE should introduce real votes, where 50% are enough to accept
>>> drafts.
>>
>> I was not aware that this is NOT currently the case.
>
> To clarify:
>
>   - the RIPE NCC and the RIPE AGM has voting, and counting of votes
>     (this is the legal entity that handles the day to day work, the flow
>     of money, serves as point of contact for legal enforcement agencies,
>     etc.)
>
>   - the RIPE *community* (that sets the policy framework for the RIPE NCC)
>     operates on the basis of consensus - there's no voting here, because
>     nobody ever figured out how to make voting work for "The Internet
>     Community".

And thats really a point to question these days.

RIPE is the only organisation Im a member of, that allows non-members
to tell them what to do.
Its really strange, that any Internetuser worldwide capable of
working an mailclient can contribute to the process of consensus
and can be part of the descisions how RIPe handles their resources.

And it seems to be an important part, that the leader of any group
has to decide if consensus has been reached about a draft, before
the draft can reach the next step.
Its not very democratic if the whole process can be stopped
- either by a bunch of people that are neither RIPE members
   nor even located in the RIPE region
- of by the working group leader (that should defny be his role)

I defny vote for that RIPE drafts should only be discussed
by RIPE members and that a 50% votes of RIPE members are enough
to accept a draft.

Think of the following:
if I would be AT&T and like to fight against German Telekom
as a big competitor in the US market, I would get a thousand
US customers, that like to have cheaper rates, and file
a draft at RIPE that will cost all RIPE members a lot
of money ...


Kind regards, Frank

P.S.: uups, have to go now, several if our POP/IMAP server seems to be
       under attack by a password scanner just in this moment.
       Have to check, if our Anti-DDOS-Tools catch them all right.

       Interesting, this time coming from
       adsl-75-18-71-221.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net
       AT&T is misusing the resources they got from ARIN
       in a very illegal way here :o)
       And they did not even write
       Descr: POP/IMAP password scanner to get hold of user passwords
       Descr: for illegal activities
       in there description field !




> Gert Doering
>          -- NetMaster


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