[anti-abuse-wg] Use of RIPE region space by out-of-region users, was RIPE policy

On 9 Mar 2011, at 12:43, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
> Secondly, regarding the local blacklisting of blacknight.ie, I can assure
> you that it's nothing personal.  That happens to all domains that spam me.
> If you want to see the spam that triggered that, ask and I'll be happy to
> dig it out for you.  (There's a handy contact form on my web site for use
> by folks in domains that are in the local blacklist.)


Well if the form on your site loaded I would have .. 

It doesn't so I couldn't

If you could send it to me offlist or to abuse at blacknight.ie we will look into it


> 
> Thirdly, I just want to say that you guys are both a riot.  Really,  It's
> rather hilarious how quick some folks are to defend against any perceived
> attack on their own selfish interests (and pocketbooks) even when the only
> threat is in their own minds.
> 
> How you guys got so far off into the weeds, and started talking about things
> totally unrelated to the discussion at hand is beyond me.  You guys should
> really consider joining the knee-jerk caucus of the Democratic Party here
> in the U.S., so that, you know, when I say something simple and innocent
> like "Our schools aren't doing a good job teaching kids English" you guys
> can come up with an equally off-the-wall reaction, like asserting that I'm
> obviously a racist because I demand that children in the U.S. learn English.
> 
> In short, get a grip.
> 
> If either of you would like to return to _this_ reality for a moment, you
> may perhaps notice that (contrary to your bunker-mentality perception) I
> actually _didn't_ attack your right to sell service to Mongolia, if that
> is your wish.

Ok, but you didn't communicate that particularly clearly

> 
> I did (and do) however wonder out loud about RIPE policies when I see
> what appears to be large scale waste and fraud relating to precious and
> increasingly scarce number resources, and I did (and do) wonder about
> cases where some ``provider'' in the RIPE region somehow manages to get
> hold of a nice sized chunk of IPv4 space which is then, apparently, sold
> off to an American mass e-mailing company with _no_ apparent connectivity
> being associated with that deal... a practice that even the ICANN Political
> Scientist fellow with the exceptionally thin skin seemed to indicate was
> in fact a violation of *existing* RIPE policies.

See here you're not making any sense

I know you think you are, but you're actually ignoring reality

We have clients from the US (and elsewhere) that do not have a physical presence in Ireland or anywhere else in Europe.

If they are given an allocation of space it's obviously going to be assigned to them.

For all you know they could be using the space and servers etc., just to serve their EMEA clients ..

Now obviously if they're abusing the space and the policies then I'd love to see that addressed.. but I don't see why where a company is based is relevant

> 
> OK, that's really all I had to say.  You may now proceed to misinterpret
> and misconstrue _this_ message, as you did that last one, in a way that
> best fits with your own preconceived and misplaced fears and concerns.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> rfg
> 

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