[anti-abuse-wg] Use of RIPE region space by out-of-region users, was RIPE policy

In message <9AA9525D-1484-49CD-AA87-BAA4F5067F63 at blacknight.ie>, 
"Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele at blacknight.ie> wrote:

>
>On 9 Mar 2011, at 11:08, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote:
>
>>
>> On 9 Mar 2011, at 10:56, Shane Kerr wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> AFAIK there have never been rules about who you can provide services to
>>> with the address blocks you have been given. I would object strongly to
>>> a proposal to do so.
>>
>>
>> As would I
>>
>> If network operators are abusing or allowing their networks to be abused 
>then I can understand why some people might get upset, but I don't see why 
>that should impact the rest of us.
>>
>> If I want to provide services to a company in Mongolia and we provide an 
>allocation to them and it complies with the RIPE rules then it is none of a
>nybody's business
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Michele
>>
>
>
>And of course Ronald probably won't even see my emails since he's blacklist
>ed the entire blacknight.ie domain for some reason
>
>*sigh*

Sigh indeed.

OK, let's take these one at a time.

Firstly, I saw what you wrote because you posted it to a mailing list that
I'm on.  (I'm sorry if this concept of an e-mail mailing list confuses you,
but there's really nothing I can do about that.  I'm also sorry that an
awful lot of people, here and elsewhere, seem not to have mastered their
mail clients well enough to avoid sending me a separate and duplicate
copy of whatever messages they post to the list and which I will see
there anyway... but that's also, apparently, not something that I can do
anything about.)

Secondly, regarding the local blacklisting of blacknight.ie, I can assure
you that it's nothing personal.  That happens to all domains that spam me.
If you want to see the spam that triggered that, ask and I'll be happy to
dig it out for you.  (There's a handy contact form on my web site for use
by folks in domains that are in the local blacklist.)

Thirdly, I just want to say that you guys are both a riot.  Really,  It's
rather hilarious how quick some folks are to defend against any perceived
attack on their own selfish interests (and pocketbooks) even when the only
threat is in their own minds.

How you guys got so far off into the weeds, and started talking about things
totally unrelated to the discussion at hand is beyond me.  You guys should
really consider joining the knee-jerk caucus of the Democratic Party here
in the U.S., so that, you know, when I say something simple and innocent
like "Our schools aren't doing a good job teaching kids English" you guys
can come up with an equally off-the-wall reaction, like asserting that I'm
obviously a racist because I demand that children in the U.S. learn English.

In short, get a grip.

If either of you would like to return to _this_ reality for a moment, you
may perhaps notice that (contrary to your bunker-mentality perception) I
actually _didn't_ attack your right to sell service to Mongolia, if that
is your wish.

I did (and do) however wonder out loud about RIPE policies when I see
what appears to be large scale waste and fraud relating to precious and
increasingly scarce number resources, and I did (and do) wonder about
cases where some ``provider'' in the RIPE region somehow manages to get
hold of a nice sized chunk of IPv4 space which is then, apparently, sold
off to an American mass e-mailing company with _no_ apparent connectivity
being associated with that deal... a practice that even the ICANN Political
Scientist fellow with the exceptionally thin skin seemed to indicate was
in fact a violation of *existing* RIPE policies.

OK, that's really all I had to say.  You may now proceed to misinterpret
and misconstrue _this_ message, as you did that last one, in a way that
best fits with your own preconceived and misplaced fears and concerns.


Regards,
rfg