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Kostas Zorbadelos
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Thu Aug 11 08:17:57 CEST 2011
On 08/11/2011 03:05 AM, Aftab Siddiqui wrote: > So Brian, being the chair, is there any possibility to sum up few > things here like the problem statement (I guess it was fake Whois > initially) because as suresh said 3-4 ppl will always going to debate > on the same issues again n again than why not these ppl can come up > with a suggestion towards solution. > I totally agree with this one. A summary of the problem statement(s) would be a good thing because I think I am not the only one that lost track of the recent conversations. Kostas PS: Am I the only one that received some bounces from this list? 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The Postfix program <anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net>: mail forwarding loop for anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net --98DBC6A11C.1312971712/postboy.ripe.net Content-Description: Delivery report Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; postboy.ripe.net X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 98DBC6A11C X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; kzorba at otenet.gr Arrival-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:21:52 +0200 (CEST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net --98DBC6A11C.1312971712/postboy.ripe.net Content-Description: Undelivered Message Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ripe.net [193.0.19.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DBC6A11C for <anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net>; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:21:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([217.108.152.41]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <kzorba at otenet.gr>) id 1Qr5v4-0003JH-7T for anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:21:52 +0200 Received: from r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CC2A738009 for <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:23:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.192.128.46]) by r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AE07B8010 for <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:23:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ftrdsmtp4.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.49]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:57:46 +0200 Received: from mail pickup service by ftrdsmtp4.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:13:41 +0200 Received: from omfeda08.si.francetelecom.fr ([10.98.3.82]) by ftrdsmtp4.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:22:37 +0200 Received: from omfeda13.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.98.77.165]) by omfeda08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 1B72C38404A for <pierre.caron at orange-ftgroup.com>; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:22:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from omfeda13.si.francetelecom.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by omfeda13.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with SMTP id 07C411905F3 for <pierre.caron at orange-ftgroup.com>; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:22:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from postboy.ripe.net (postboy.ripe.net [193.0.19.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relais-inet.francetelecom.com (ESMTP service) with ESMTPS id 902A01905F0 for <pierre.caron at orange-ftgroup.com>; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:22:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from postboy.ripe.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDB36A09A; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:22:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-To: anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net Delivered-To: anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ripe.net [193.0.19.66]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9D06A099 for <anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net>; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:21:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from noc.otenet.gr ([195.170.0.29]) by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from <kzorba at otenet.gr>) id 1QqkNI-00040Y-JN for anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:21:34 +0200 Received: from [212.205.221.137] (enigma.otenet.gr [212.205.221.137]) by noc.otenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8ADB8B8030 for <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:21:31 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4E4118CF.2050201 at otenet.gr> From: Kostas Zorbadelos <kzorba at otenet.gr> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse report. References: <4e402a95.3020409 at eunet.rs> <452d9c4ceeb.000000e3world.antispam.report at inbox.com> <459BAB01B7D.0000016Bworld.antispam.report at inbox.com> In-Reply-To: <459BAB01B7D.0000016Bworld.antispam.report at inbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.7 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -0.8 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: e75c1e1f8fb33358b75e61b940efb654473ccce5d76a543f49de81d3f8adb7a7 Sender: anti-abuse-wg-admin at ripe.net Errors-To: anti-abuse-wg-admin at ripe.net X-BeenThere: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Discussion of anti-abuse measures <anti-abuse-wg.ripe.net> List-Post: <mailto:anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> X-RIPE-Lists: Discussion of anti-abuse measures <anti-abuse-wg.ripe.net> List-Subscribe: <http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg>, <mailto:anti-abuse-wg-request at ripe.net?subject=subscribe> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg>, <mailto:anti-abuse-wg-request at ripe.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Help: <mailto:anti-abuse-wg-request at ripe.net?subject=help> List-Archive: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/ Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:23:59 +0300 X-PMX-Version: 5.5.9.395186, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2011.8.9.111515 X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=X, Probability=10%, Report=' TO_IN_SUBJECT 0.5, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_400_499 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, SPF_NONE 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __DATE_TZ_RU 0, __HAS_LIST_HEADER 0, __HAS_LIST_HELP 0, __HAS_LIST_SUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_LIST_UNSUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NO_NAME 0, __URI_NS , __USER_AGENT 0' X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2011 11:22:37.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[A48CF790:01CC5686] X-RIPE-Spam-Level: - X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -1.9 points pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-RIPE-Signature: e75c1e1f8fb33358b75e61b940efb654473ccce5d76a543f49de81d3f8adb7a7 On 08/09/2011 02:15 PM, abuse at localhost.com wrote: > James? Have you noticed the name of this present mailing list?\ > Why would there be the word "anti-abuse" in it? > Is an uncared for spam complaint "Off Topic"? > > I don't think so. > ============================== > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/groups/wg/anti-abuse Please, I think we should lower the noise of these threads. Regards, Kostas --98DBC6A11C.1312971712/postboy.ripe.net-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > M2C > > On Wednesday, August 10, 2011, Brian Nisbet<brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote: >> "Suresh Ramasubramanian" wrote the following on 10/08/2011 15:38: >> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight >> <michele at blacknight.ie> wrote: >> >> Odd that it came up here as well .. there's a similar-ish discussion about definitions going on in APWG as well .. >> >> >> There have been periodic threads on this in just about every antispam >> mailing list and newsgroup that I have been part of, for over 15 years >> now. >> >> The more mature lists soon grow out of it, or at least reduce the >> frequency of this discussion which speedily goes into a quibbling and >> hair splitting exercise engaged in by like three or four people [often >> the same 3 or 4 people each time, go figure] >> >> >> Thank you for answering that, Suresh. While I do wonder what definitions people are looking for, you have just said, in an excellent way, what I was thinking of saying. >> >> Brian. >> >> >
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