AW: [anti-abuse-wg] how to detect spambots - SPAMTrusted

peter h wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 March 2009 15.44, Sascha Wilms wrote:
>> Hi Ian, hi guys,
>>
>> we actually enforce rules regarding bulk emails through the Certified Senders Alliance. Enforcement can naturally be applied only to those senders participating in the CSA - however, in Germany our service has become the de facto industry standard for email marketers, and the amount of emails sent by certified senders is huge. Thus, we have gained a very good leverage over this industry.
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>> we at eco maintain a general complaints hotline, and I can't remember having seen any complaint by users or ISPs about a missing opt-out link only. Complaints are about UCEs, and not missing opt-out possibilities. So I guess we are pretty much the only body dealing with the enforcement of those rules like opt-out links, and we have effective sanctions for not sticking to the rules (and opt-out is definitely one of those rules!). 
>>
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>> Actually, our set of rules goes beyond the stipulations made by the EU directive. And we keep on tightening the rules: SPF has now become mandatory for senders (ISPs are left with the choice whether to use this info); DKIM and double-opt-in, for example, are now recommended criteria and will be turned into mandatory criteria with the next revision of the admission criteria. 
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>> We consider this industry standard approach more efficient than any legislative approach. 
>>
>> Rgds
>> Sascha
> 
> If germany is so good at stopping spam, how come that providers like schlund is
> still out-of-jail ? ( i have more examples of spam originating in germany)
> 

Hi,

this is pretty easy.
You will need a person or company willing to go to the police
or contact a lawyer, before this can worked on by legal entities.
And: you can only complain for those case, that happened to you
and not in general.

Users are usually uninformed about their possibilities and only
complain a lot. Spam is not being recognized by the masses as
being a crime so far.

Thats why we need a solution to measure the spam polution of providers 
in general and need a more international solution that really hurts 
those provider. RIPE would be great, ECO too ...


Kind regards, Frank
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