[anti-abuse-wg] What to do when both RIR and ISP don't care?

On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Jesus Sanz de las Heras
<jesus.heras at rediris.es> wrote:
>
> Thats is no true. When a I read your message immediately I sent email to
> ONO abuse team and  could be possible they updated contact. Its true that
> ONO had to keep updated them

     Do you mean you got the same "550" error or not?

> In Spain we have a good technical coordination forum of  ISPs abuse spanish
> teams , his name its Foro ABUSES (http://www.abuses.es). I don't know if
> other europeans countries have a similar iniciatives. The main objetive of
> this Forum i have good contacts points and define best current practices
> and other iniciatives as Spanish WhiteList, spamtraps networks, SPF,
> special contact (police, hotmail,yahoo etc and other cert teams)   and
> other activities (two anual meetings) included to have updated data RIPE
>
> Foro ABUSES is coordinated for people of spanish academic network as  the
> best neutral spanish ISP. It's is free.
> I hope to improve your image of Spain ;-) and you are invite the next
> meeting in May, Madrid to know ONO/AUNA  people ;-)

     Don't get me wrong.  I didn't mean every Spanish ISP is like
that, just some.  Or in a more general sense, even in EU some ISP
isn't that co-operative.  And in the opposite, it's not because an ISP
isn't in EU, eg Russia or Turkey or China, that it's certainly bad/not
co-operative.  We have to see things individually but not judge them
in a whole.

     I'd like to go to Spain, but May is also a very busy month for me
:(  But thanks for the invitation :)