[address-policy-wg] Suggestion to replace IPv4 waiting list with auctions

Hi,

I think just handing out all or doing a lottery is a really bad idea.

I think the best way is simply to realize that there is no perfect or even
particularly good way to deal with this and the current system is probably
the best we can reasonably have.
The true solution will be more IPv6 implementation.

-Cynthia

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:32 PM Sebastian-Wilhelm Graf <
ripe-lists at sebastian-graf.at> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> After writing my previous reply to this conversation, i had a random
> thought. Maybe as an alternative to complex, overreaching and probably
> impossible to enforce policy,... we could go the opposite route.
>
> - How many /24s can are still avalible for allocation?
> - How many LIR accounts are there currently?
>
> If there is avaliblity to cover it, we could just give every current LIR a
> /24
> and instantly "remove" the "pool". Thus same chances for everyone and
> there
> is no more discussion.
>
> Weird Other thought:
> If we dont have enough /24's to cover, or we end with an uneven number
> remaining, we could do a lottery.
>
>
> It all just leads to where we will get eventually anyhow.
>
> Regards
> Sebastian Graf
>
> Gert Doering writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 11:38:48AM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via
> address-
> > policy-wg wrote:
> > > Yes, the people can try to cheat, but that's why the NCC verify
> documents,
> > etc., right?
> >
> > So, instead of opening a new LIR under "SpaceNet AG", I register a new
> > UK umbrella company under the name of "My New LIR Ltd".
> >
> > This one would then apply for a new RIPE membership.
> >
> > How do you know it's "SpaceNet AG" trying to sneak in and get more space?
> >
> >
> > I've said that before: we've been there before - the "restrict multiple
> > LIR accounts" approach leads to "those people that are in for the easy
> > monay and do not care for anything else" will just register new companies
> > with a new name for every new LIR.  Nothing won, but database accuracy
> > suffers, because you can't see the real owner anymore.
> >
> > Thus, having a checkbox on the application form might actually do more
> > good - people will still cheat, but it won't harm the registry.
> >
> > Gert Doering
> > --
> > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
> >
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