[address-policy-wg] Suggestion to replace IPv4 waiting list with auctions

Hello!

I have been considering different ideas how to implement a good system.
That improves the current resource-distribution system.
Because i think we can all agree that we should only implement changes that  
provide a significant improvement over the current situation.
Sadly i have failed to find language that would achieve the goal.

Lets try define some scenarios and clearly outline what we are trying to  
solve and what the side-effects are.

To me it appears the "issue" at hand is that some members feel that new LIRs  
will suffer from a reduced chance to recieve a /24 in the future.


*) Auction mode suggestion:
Realistically, this means, that in the short term this will disrupt the  
"aftermarket", but i do not think the amount of requests will go down. In  
fact, it may have the opposite effect. As its
more convienient and represents less "risk" than a transaction via broker.

*) Only new members can request a  /24
This instantly you down the road of evaluating and clawing for  
proof/documentation without a good method of verification. Lets face the  
fact that its easy to spin off new businesses. So instead
of the "main company"  sending the request, now you get an influx of newly  
formed companies (ie a LLC creats 5 LLCs for sub parts of its business,  
maybe one per location?).
Are any of those "non legimiate"? How do you define a verification process  
for that (asset based? if yes, what if they hold colocation  
contracts+server+router hardware"?....)

If we severely limit based on company ownership, or,.. then we quickly go  
down the path of "free will" assignments vs an exactly defined process/path.

Alternativly: all i see is a lot of database polution without any real value  
being added.


.....
If we cannot find language to guarantee a clear guideline for new  
assignments, where the positive effects outway the negative consequences,  
then:

I think we should just accept the fact that we will likely not improve the  
current situation. Especially in the context of the current state of things,  
where a few years down the road, there
will be no alternative to said "aftermarket".



Regards
Sebastian Graf



JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg writes:

> I don't think this will work and it not fair.
>
> Those resources should be provided only to new-entrants not new-LIRs from  
> exisiting members.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
> El 23/11/21 21:53, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Wolfgang Zenker" <address- 
> policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de zenker at punkt.de> escribió:
>
>     Greetings,
>
>     in todays WG session Marco Schmidt pointed out that more than half of
>     the /24s allocated from the waiting list pool go to members with
>     multiple LIRs. The number of newly created LIRs eligible for a /24 has
>     increased a lot in recent months, to the point where requests can no
>     longer be filled from the available pool but new LIRs have to wait for
>     blocks coming out of quarantine. This change appears to be due to market
>     value for IPv4 blocks being now significantly larger than the cost for
>     creating a new LIR and maintaining it for the two year holding period.
>     The result of this is that newcomers have no easy access to a first IPv4
>     block but have to wait in line together with multi-LIR address hoarders,
>     defeating the purpose of the waiting list policy.
>
>     I suggest to replace the waiting list with the following system:
>     - /24s becoming available are put to an auction.
>     - every interested member organisation (NOT: LIR) can make a bid of an
>       amount that is not visible to the other bidders.
>     - highest bid wins.
>
>     Expected result would be less requests from address hoarders because
>     they could get address blocks for a similar price on the open market
>     without the additional overhead of creating a new member. Newcomers on
>     the other hand would have to become members to be able to hold addresses
>     in the first place, and can use the auction to get access to a properly
>     quarantined address block to start their business.
>
>
>     Regards,
>     Wolfgang Zenker
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