[address-policy-wg] stockpiling IPv6

Hi Elvis & Aleksey (to avoid one extra email),

As said, it is a matter of responsibility. I'm not the NCC, neither work for them. I think it is a community matter and there is a clear principle here: "justified need".

I also agree that the justification can't be too strict, but there is always a right balance point.

If an organization has 20 LIRs and they can *justify the need* even for a /12 for each LIR, I'm *perfectly fine* with that.

What I don't think is right is that we bypass the justified need. If we want to do that, let's remove it from all the policies.
 
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 28/10/20 13:32, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Elvis Daniel Velea" <address-policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de elvis at velea.eu> escribió:

    Hi Jordi,

    what is the problem you want to solve? 

    Is the ‘IPv6 stockpiling’ creating any issues?

    As far as I know, we have plenty of IPv6 available and by forcing return or imposing conditions on mergers/transfers you only create hurdles for the people that actually use IPv6.

    I’d say this is a non problem and actually advise RIPE NCC RS to stop tracking/presenting on this unless this issue causes them complications in justifying additional allocation requests from the IANA.

    Elvis 

    Excuse the briefness of this mail, it was sent from a mobile device.

    > On Oct 28, 2020, at 05:26, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
    > 
    > Hi Sergey,
    > 
    > Note that I'm not intending to change anything on IPv4 ...
    > 
    > Regards,
    > Jordi
    > @jordipalet
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    > El 28/10/20 13:20, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Sergey Myasoedov via address-policy-wg" <address-policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de address-policy-wg at ripe.net> escribió:
    > 
    >    Hi Jordi,
    > 
    >> Otherwise, do you have other suggestions, or do you think the we should ignore the stockpiling?
    > 
    >    A 'stockpiling' on the obsoleted resource is a result of semi-free market. Just let the IPv4 go, and market and technology will do the rest.
    > 
    >    And yes, I am the market player.
    > 
    >    --
    >    Kind regards,
    >    Sergey Myasoedov
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    >> On 28 Oct 2020, at 13:13, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
    >> 
    >> Hi Nick,
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    >> Could you explain why not?
    >> 
    >> Clearly it is something that should part of the NCC verification duties, but we have been told several times, in other policy proposals, that we need to make it explicit so they can "act".
    >> 
    >> Otherwise, do you have other suggestions, or do you think the we should ignore the stockpiling?
    >> 
    >> Regards,
    >> Jordi
    >> @jordipalet
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    >> El 28/10/20 13:09, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Nick Hilliard" <address-policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de nick at foobar.org> escribió:
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    >>   JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote on 28/10/2020 12:05:
    >>> However, in RIPE NCC, if you created several LIRs for getting more
    >>> IPv4 allocations, *even if you don't use/need it* you can get (and
    >>> thus stockpile) IPv6 *at no extra cost*.
    >>   [...]
    >>> Do we need some text about "recovery if not announced and used" ?
    >> 
    >>   tl;dr: no.
    >> 
    >>   Nick
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