[address-policy-wg] 2016-03 Discussion Period extended until 15 July 2016 (Locking Down the Final /8 Policy)

Hi Radu,

> On 17 Jun 2016, at 22:18 , Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN <ripe-wgs at radu-adrian.feurdean.net> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016, at 21:09, Remco van Mook wrote:
>> Let me get this straight - you oppose a proposed change in policy because
>> the change itself is not part of current policy?
> 
> No, more people than you expected oppose it because you make an explicit
> reference to allocation made after a certain date in the past:
> <snip>
> All allocations made by the RIPE NCC to LIRs after 14 September 2012
> will be marked in the RIPE Database as “ALLOCATED FINAL”.
> </snip>
> 
> Just remove "after 14 September 2012" and you ban all transfers. Not
> necessarily a bad idea.
> 

1. I make specific reference to the date that 'final /8' came into effect in the same way it's used in current policy. It's not just some random day. If there was any other way to reference 'every allocation made under this policy' that wasn't hopelessly broken or confusing I would have done so.

2. You're making assumptions about my expectations. Please don't.

3. 2007-08 also impacted previously allocated IPv4 space in a massive way. The concept introduced in that policy is what's called 'transfers' these days. I remember because I wrote it.

4. I don't see how this piece of your response in any way relates to my question to Stefan.


>> Also, those "heavily disadvantaged members" as you describe them, only
>> have received address space thanks to a particularly selfless decision by
>> the community at the time to dedicate the last remaining address space to
>> that purpose, rather than just blowing through it by early 2013.
> 
> Like in "we won't kill you with a bullet in the head, we will kill you
> by letting you slowly bleed to death". Thanks.
> Now you try to regulate how you are allowed (or not) to heal yourself.


I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Who is "we", who is "you" and what does "heal yourself" mean in this context?

Remco


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