[address-policy-wg] 2016-03 Discussion Period extended until 15 July 2016 (Locking Down the Final /8 Policy)

Hi Sander,

On 7/22/16 1:41 AM, Sander Steffann wrote:
> Hi Elvis,
>
>>> I've had easier discussion to judge, and less repetitive-nonsensical ones.
>> it says awaiting decision from proposer and not from WG Chairs. That is why I was asking the proposer.
> Just for clarity, this is what the PDP says:
>
>> [RIPE-642 section 2.2]
>> At the end of the Discussion Phase, the proposer, with the agreement of the WG chair, decides whether the proposal will move to the next phase (Review Phase) or if it should be withdrawn from the RIPE PDP, depending on the feedback received. This should be done no more than four weeks after the end of the Discussion Phase.
than maybe it should be made clearer on the webpage. While I do 
appreciate the 'upgrade' of the page - it used to be worse - it can be 
improved :)
>
> So the chairs need to make up their minds about if they can agree with the proposer. This involves a lot of manual work (as Gert said: analysing the mailing list archives etc) so this takes time. The discussion phase ended on 15 July. And the four week period that is common for that type of decision hasn't expired yet. And even if it had, it says "should be done" not "must be done", so if we stick to the definitions of RFC2119 that timeline may be changed if circumstances require.
>
> In short: if you're going to be pedantic please read the relevant documents first. The discussion phase has ended. The microphones are closed. And give your chairs some breathing room to do their (volunteer) jobs properly.
I have, many times, I used to refer to the same documentation when I was 
a part-time trainer at the NCC :)

Again, the website says the phase is complete and is "Awaiting Decision 
from the Proposer". Maybe it should still be 'green' and not 'blue' and 
maybe it should say something else and not 'awaiting a decision from 
someone until one week ago'. For example, maybe it should say - 
Discussion Period ended on July 15th - 1-4 weeks until next 
phase/decision. Or maybe it should have more columns, one for each phase 
in this process (+ one for each of the periods in between the phases).
> Cheers,
> Sander
>
> PS: because I got involved in the discussion and questioned some people's statements to keep the discussion honest I am abstaining on any decisions regarding this proposal to avoid any semblance of conflict of interest. This means Gert is doing all the hard work all by himself...
>
while I appreciate your position, I was under the impression that Gert - 
with his replies on June 20th - did take sides more than you did.

I will leave it to the WG Chairs Collective to decide if he did take 
sides or not and whether any of you can still decide consensus on this 
policy proposal (ripe-642 3.1 &4).
I do not intend to submit an appeal unless this policy proposal moves 
forward to Review Phase.. so I am waiting for the decision of the 
proposer - as the website says :)

regards,
Elvis