[address-policy-wg] 2015-05 Discussion Period extended until 13 May 2016 (Last /8 Allocation Criteria Revision)

Dear Ingrid,

thank you for you help

Il 20/04/2016 12:09, Ingrid Wijte ha scritto:
> Dear Riccardo,
>
> (I am responding on behalf of Andrea, who is currently traveling).
>
> We just wanted to confirm that Hans Petter and Roger are correct. The 
> policy text you quoted was designed to allow address space to be 
> returned to IANA. It does not refer to the way that the RIPE NCC 
> should allocate from our available IPv4 pool.
>
> With the current policy, the RIPE NCC does not distinguish between 
> address space in our available IPv4 pool on the basis of where it came 
> from. We are currently allocating from 185/8 mainly for simplicity, 
> and to allow a long quarantine period for returned address space. 
> The RIPE NCC started to allocate from 185/8 on 14 September 2012, when 
> we could no longer satisfy a request for address space without 
> touching 185/8. That moment triggered section 5.1 that states that 
> RIPE NCC members can request a one time /22 allocation (1,024 IPv4 
> addresses). 
Thank you, I'll try to understand as best as possibile how it 
worked/works but I am quite new so I don't know very well history things.
> I hope this helps.

thank you for your help
Riccardo
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ingrid Wijte
> Assistant Manager Registration Services
> RIPE NCC
>
> On 20/04/2016 11:53, Riccardo Gori wrote:
>> Hi Roger,
>>
>> Il 20/04/2016 11:00, Roger Jørgensen ha scritto:
>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Hans Petter Holen<hph at oslo.net>  wrote:
>>>> On 16.04.2016 12.29,remco.vanmook at gmail.com  wrote:
>>>>> This confusion has been haunting the final /8 policy from day one - it was
>>>>> never about what to do with specifically 185/8, but what to do with all
>>>>> future allocations from the moment we needed to start allocating out of it.
>>>>> The policy text itself was never limited to a single /8, nor was that
>>>>> limitation any part of the discussion.
>>> It was a name for the point in time when it would be activated, and it would
>>> stay there until there was no IPv4 left to hand out.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I looked up the policy proposal at
>>>> https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2010-02
>>>>
>>>> " This proposal describes how the RIPE NCC should distribute IPv4 address
>>>> space from the final /8 address block it receives from the IANA."
>>> Not the best wording back there it seems...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Reading the rest of the proposal I fully understand the confusion and find
>>>> it hard to read your interpretation into the proposal.
>>>>
>>>> The updated policy after this proposal can be found in RIPE 509
>>>> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-509#----use-of-last----for-pa-allocations
>>>> * The following policies come into effect as soon as RIPE NCC is required to
>>>> make allocations from the final /8 it receives from the IANA.
>>>>
>>>> It does not discuss the event where RIPE NCC gets more address space and
>>>> could allocate from - which would strictly speaking not be allocation from
>>>> the last /8
>>> somewhere along the way, I think, but haven't found it yet, it was
>>> said that this
>>> policy would get activated when they got the last /8 from IANA, that was the
>>> intention. Whatever happend after _that_ point in time, would be covered by
>>> that policy. That part was to cover what you mention next...
>>
>> Are you sure? I mean, when 185/8 has been reiceved from IANA:
>> There was some space around left on the free pool and it has been 
>> allocated under the same "last /8 policy" from that moment or 
>> followed its own old path?
>> I am serius since I wasn't here at that time and I don't really know 
>> what happened.
>> Andrea, can you help me understand what happened to available pool is 
>> any when 185/8 was reiceved by IANA?
>> please understand I signed up 01/2015, when exacly took place the 
>> first allocation made under "last /8" policy?
>> any help would be appreciated
>> thanks
>> Riccardo
>>
>>>> Tracing the policy text trough the versions - This text was first removed
>>>> between
>>>> * RIPE 599 published on 20 December 2013
>>>> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-599#Use-last-for-PA-Allocations
>>>> and
>>>> * RIPE 604 - published on 4 Feb 2014:
>>>> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-604
>>>>
>>>> Where the text was changed to:
>>>>
>>>> The size of the allocation made will be exactly one /22.
>>>> The sum of all allocations made to a single LIR by the RIPE NCC after the
>>>> 14th of September 2012 is limited to a maximum of 1024 IPv4 addresses (a
>>>> single /22 or the equivalent thereof).
>>> The side story behind this is probably related to that it was assumed that
>>> IANA would get some address space back, address space they again could
>>> redistribute to the LIR. When slized up it would at some point not be possible
>>> to hand out /22's, only smaller blocks that could add upto a /22.
>>> All that would be addresses covered by "the last /8 policy", the runout policy.
>>>
>>>
>>>> and no reference to the last /8.
>>>>
>>>> So I can easily understand the confusion.
>>> The intention was that once the policy was activated it would be there for all
>>> future until there was no IPv4 left. It was just called "the last /8 policy"
>>> since that's how it started out, the activation point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (I can't find referenced to all of this but it is somewhere in the archives, and
>>> guess Geert or you can find it all? Wonder if it might be somewhere in the
>>> IETF space or so this was discussed to?)
>>>
>>
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