[address-policy-wg] Transfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations

On 23.04.2015 14:31, Vladimir Andreev wrote:
>>  openig a bunch of LIR only for transfering their /22 V4 to another LIR
>>  is - and always was - abusing the policy.
> 
> Any links to documents proving it?

https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-643#51

Number 3

> 
>> but for me the way you are proposing to run a "business" is
>> almost the same as the one of a guy selling stolen stuff ...
> 
> Such a comparison is incorrect.

Maybe my comparison lacks do to difficulties translating into english:
The guy selling the stuff does not (necessarily) know that the one he
bought it from stole it. There are some of those shops, everybody know
that they not ask where stuff comes from, but nobody can blame the
shopowner ...

Jens


> 
> 23.04.2015, 15:27, "Opteamax GmbH" <ripe at opteamax.de>:
>>  Hello Gabriel,
>>
>>  openig a bunch of LIR only for transfering their /22 V4 to another LIR
>>  is - and always was - abusing the policy. So you acutally don't want to
>>  speak against the change of Transfer-Policy but want to keep the
>>  backdoor open.
>>
>>  So if you think the last /8 policy is not OK - where consensus was
>>  reached - you should stand up and make a change proposal for that.
>>
>>  Knowing the way to bypass policy still does not mean, that it is
>>  fair/legal. IMHO LIRs which are willingly abusing policies shall get
>>  their entire resources withdrawn immediately, as they are not willing to
>>  be part of the community, so shall not profit from community.
>>
>>  Sorry, but for me the way you are proposing to run a "business" is
>>  almost the same as the one of a guy selling stolen stuff ...
>>
>>  Regards
>>  Jens
>>
>>  On 23.04.2015 14:05, Infinity Telecom SRL wrote:
>>>   Hello Gert,
>>>
>>>   "at the transfer services"  i saw sellers that want 17-20 USD per IP,
>>>    this is crazy, do you want forward ?
>>>
>>>   Do you think this is a normal ?
>>>
>>>   If right now they ask soo much even when they know someone like me can
>>>   open a new LIR an close after 1 year.
>>>
>>>   What will happen when someone like me will open a LIR and pay 2 yrs
>>>   before to move the IPs  to the old LIR
>>>
>>>   I tell you what will happen,  the sellers will put another 5-7 USD per
>>>   IP, for sure.
>>>
>>>   Most of the guys that are pro this proposal have large blocks for sell..
>>>
>>>   I dont have large blocks.. i want to keep my IPs and have more resource..
>>>
>>>   Thank you.
>>>
>>>   /--
>>>   Cu stima,
>>>   Gabriel Voitis | Sales Manager
>>>   /voitis at infinitytelecom.ro <mailto:voitis at infinitytelecom.ro>
>>>
>>>   /INFINITY TELECOM SRL  |  Bd-ul Iuliu Maniu nr 7, Corp A, Scara 2
>>>   Mobil: +40 0725 677 477  |  Tel: +40 021 7808805  |  Fax: +40 021 7808806
>>>   /contact at infinitytelecom.ro <mailto:contact at infinitytelecom.ro>
>>>   
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>>  Jens Ott
>>
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