[address-policy-wg] Question about Last /8 Policy

Hi all, 

I fully support this actually I'd even go a step further and forbid trading of IP completely. Instead address space not needed shall be returned to the RIR, and address space not announced for more than a year also should be withdrawn by RIPE automatically. 

I know at least one LIR holding a /14 that he requested 5 years ago and never announced since then (and actually has about one /15 free space (amount of IPs, not in one chunk) in his other allocations. 
The legitime reasons against this mentioned (merger of LIRs) are exceptions to be proven individually by the RIPE NCC staff. 

But also here couple of guidelines IMHO need to be defined,  e.g. no merging of LIRs younger than two years ... in the moment trading and holding IPv4 for profit reasons looses it's attractiveness, the exhaustion would become pretty relaxed. 

BR Jens

PS: sorry for TOFU, mobile client makes it difficult to quote properly :(


On 8. Juli 2014 08:37:27 MESZ, "Roger Jørgensen" <rogerj at gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Garry Glendown <garry at nethinks.com>
>wrote:
>> On 07.07.2014 12:45, Daniel Baeza (Red y Sistemas TVT) wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This is another topic about Last /8.
>>> Im seeing in the Listing Service ppl offering their last /22 from
>the
>>> 185/8
>>> For example, creating a LIR on 1st January cost arround 4.000€ (more
>>> or less) and selling the whole allocation at currect prices (lets
>say,
>>> 8€/IP) is giving you a benefit of ~4.000€
>> Generally, I'd +1 this ...
>>
>> Anyway, there may be legitimate situations where transfer of the IP
>> space might be permissable ...
>
>In general I would agree to this however there are many legitimate
>reasons to allow such transfer.
>And is it really such a big problem?
>
>What happen if several smaller ISP's, each with their own network and
>customer decide to merge... should one of them lose their /22 due to
>they try to grow?
>(and just ignore that whole they should go IPv6 because they have that)