[address-policy-wg] IPv6 PI request is turned down for my multihomed hosting facility - Why?

Hi,

 

As far as I'm concerned, there seems to be a strange discrepancy between
IPv4 PI and IPv6 PI. Apparently Janne has already successfully obtained IPv4
PI and has now requested IPv6 PI, declaring the same intended use. Could
someone please point out where in the policy documents it says one can use
IPv4 PI for hosting, but not IPv6 PI? I'm having a hard time finding such
terms.

 

____________________________________

Tero Toikkanen

Nebula Oy

 

From: address-policy-wg-admin at ripe.net
[mailto:address-policy-wg-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Jan Tuomi
Sent: 30. maaliskuuta 2011 11:25
To: address-policy-wg at ripe.net
Subject: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 PI request is turned down for my
multihomed hosting facility - Why?

 

Hi,

 

A have made a request for a IPv6 PI / 48 allocation for my hosting facility.

 

I am mostly hosting shared services, but I also have a lot of Co-located
services for my customers.

 

I am already multihomed to have redundancy from two ISPs for IPv4 and I am
going to setup the IPv6 Network the same way.

My ASN is 196704, and I am multihoming trough IP-Only (AS12552) and Telenor
(AS8434).

 

My sponsoring LIR says that I can get an assignment from their PA-space
right away, BUT then I would not be multi-homed, so that is NOT an option.

 

The answer I get from you (RIPE) is:

You mentioned that several of the subnets will be used to provide services
to your customers (LEON Hosting, Co-location/Dedicated servers). 

Unfortunately current IPv6 address assignment and allocation policy does not
permit the use of IPv6 PI address space for these services. 

At this time IPv6 PI address space cannot be used for any service where a
customer would receive a subnet of IP space (including a single IP).
Therefore it cannot be used for colocation services, dedicated servers, SSL
certificates etc. 

There is currently a discussion on exactly this subject within the RIPE
community.  Ventiro AB are welcome to sign up for the mailing list and join
the discussion.  You can find the mailing list here:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/ripe-lists/address-policy-wg

 

I need to be multihomed because i feel its safer to have redandancy from
separate upstreams with separate infrastructure than buying the redundancy
from one provider.

My business is to keep servers running in my hosting facility, part of them
owned by me, part of them owned by the customers.

Some servers are shared among several customers, some are dedicated to one
customer only.

With todays technology as far as I know I must have separate IPs for
SSL-enabled services.

 

Is it RIPEs hidden agenda to put small hosting facilitys out of business
with IPv6 and force all customers to use the bigger ISPs?

When I requested my IPv4 PI allocation, I was already planning to also run
with IPv6 to be prepared for the future and somehow try to help with the
transition to IPv6, so people dont have the arguments that we dont use IPv6
because there is no services, its now so much services from a global point
of view, but it wouldnt be IPv4 only....

 

So what should I do? What are my options?

 

 // Janne

 

_______________________ V E N T I R O ______
Janne Tuomi, tuomi at ventiro.se
Tel: +46-11-36 52 00
GSM: +46-70-224 6000
Fax: +46-11-36 52 05

 

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